Since Paul said that Jesus had the Godhead inside him, isn't it obvious that Jesus is not=Creator/Godhead?

Question

Romans 1:20: "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, becasue, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

Colossians 2:9: "For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily."

If Paul points to the Godhead inside Jesus as a way of proving that Jesus was the Christ, isn't it obvious that the Father is greater than the Son? Would any sane person say that Jesus Christ created the world?

Answer 1

You are using the Bible this is very good (it shows you try), but you are not understanding it. your see in Romans 1:20 the Bible talks about the Creator- who is the creator? the Creator my friend Is the Father (God in heaven), The Son (God incarnated as men) and the Holy Spirit (God's presence).

Romans 1:20 is talking to everyone and letting us know that God proof to us he is real and that when judgment day comes we have no excuse on saying why we didn't believe in Him for he gave and gives everyone a fair chance to receive salvation.

and in Colossians 2:9 - of curse in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily for he is God and no one else has this in them and that is why no one else is God.

You said it your self Paul points to the Goodhead inside Jesus as a way of proving that Jesus was the Christ and if you read in the Bible you will see that Christ=Jesus and Jesus= God. These people knew that Christ their savior (the Son of God, God in the form of man) was soon to come, but they didn't believe that Jesus was the Christ they where waiting on, for they imagine their Christ to come like a great warrior that would take power by force and rule all the earth. But this was not God's plan (God's plan is salvation for humanaty not to make everyone slave by taking over the world with force)

so you see my friend Romans 1:20 is talking to everyone who doesn't whan to except God is real

and Colossians 2:9 is talking to the people of those days that belived in God and the Christ was going to come, but where not convinced that Jesus was Christ (their God)


Jesus said it himself:

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one"

and if you read the Bible in the new testament and in the old testament you will find that God clearly states that the three are one.

God Bless

Answer 2

A reasonable question! When Rom 1:20 talks about the Godhead "being understood," this should not be equated with the Godhead dwelling in someone, nor yet all the fullness dwelling bodily; these are three different things.

1. Being understood is an internal witness based on the creation; you might say it "preaches" that God exists.
2. The Godhead dwelling in someone is what a Christian experiences: God takes up residence.
3. All the fullness of the Godhead bodily means "in bodily form." In other words, Jesus is God in the flesh.

John spoke of Christ as being the Word which was in the beginning with God and was God being made flesh. (John 1:1-14)

Hope this clears it up!
Tom

Answer 3

He is PART of the Godhead. Not that it's easy to figure out, but he is an equal part of the 3-person Godhead. Jesus also says "I and the Father are one." Would you say that about someone you are not equal to?

Sane people would say he created the world because of John 1:1-4-- "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men."
The "Word" in Greek is Logos-- a word that is used for Christ. Thus, Christ was with God and was God in the beginning, and through him all things were made.

Answer 4

first the godhead what is Christ, the flesh, as stated in the verse before was in direct reference to Christ, the body.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,

Jesus is the name of God

there is not trinity, the is not in the Bible
the only number used to describe God is 1

Answer 5

For starters, John said that Jesus created the world in John chapter 1. How can any sane person pick and choose which parts of the Bible that he assumes that God wants us to take seriously, and which parts that he wants us to ignore? You believe Paul, but not John?

Besides, your logic is flawed. If Jesus has "the Godhead" in him, and the "Godhead" created the world, then your reasoning contradicts itself.

Jesus voluntarily submits to the father, as Paul taught. Submission does not imply inferior. That is a flawed human concept that the leader is superior and that the follower is inferior.

Answer 6

you left out scriptures such as these:

"In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God. He was in the beginning with God. He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn't make. Life itself was in him, and this life gives light to everyone.
The light shines through the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish.

So the Word became human and lived here on earth among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the only Son of the Father."
- john 1:1-5, 14

"He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact Iimprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,"
- hebrews 1:3
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Answer 7

Jesus Himself says so... he's a sane person, wouldn't you say?

"'I tell you the truth', Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was, I AM'..." John 8:58

"He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; Without him nothing was made that has been made" John 1: 2 - 3

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible ... all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And his is the head of the body, the church..." COlossians 1: 15 - 17. (just look back three verses BEFORE the one that you plucked out of context...)

Answer 8

Read the whole chapter 1 to the end of chapter 2 of the book of Romans the answer is there. Also John 1: 1-12

Answer 9

In the 1st chapter of John it says: In the beggining was the Word (Jesus),and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made.

Answer 10

Jesus was only a thought in the mind of God until Jesus was born, many thinks when God said let US maked men in our image, that God is talking to Jesus, God was not talking to Jesus, He was talking to his angelic kingdom & the very next verse it says So GOD created the heavens & the earth. Jesus Christ was not God, He was the Son of God, The messiah, & Jesus did not even have the spirit of God in him until John baptized him at age 30 when then the Holy Ghost decended down in the form of a dove. Neither was Jesus the 2nd person in the Godhead, God is a Spirit, The Holy Ghost is a spirit & there is only ONE Spirit, So we have God as the creator, God in his Son as the redeemer, redeeming the world back unto himself, Then we have God as the Holy Ghost or comforter, You have One SPIRIT & God & the Holy Ghost is not & never will be a person, The only person as a man was Jesus with the spirit of God to redeem this lost mankind & all lost things redeemer with God in Christ reconciling the world back unto himself, Many thinks Jesus was God, then their God Died for 3 days, & do you think satan would have let him come back to life, NO way, But it was the body of Jesus Christ that died, God never died. God is the one that rose Christ back up.