If an illegal document should be treated as a criminal, how many crimes are you guilty of?

Question

Most, if not all, of the so called "illegal" imigrants in the USofA are here to try to get a better life, usually because they can not get it back home.

If we US Americans then accuse them of being criminals because they are here "illegally" because there are laws against them, and subsequently, we should treat them as criminals, then, for all you USof A people who believe this, how many crimes are you guilty of? And since you ARE guilty of something, then should you not step forward and pay the price for your guilt?
*Have you ever "J-walked?" that is a crime (because it threatens your safety)
*Have you ever driven faster than the speed limit? that is a crime, again for safety reasons. What was your excuse? Because you wanted to get to where you were going an extra 5 minutes sooner? Because you did not plan well and are running late?
*Have you ever spit gum on the sidewalk, that is a crime
*Have you ever ridden a bicycle on the sidewalk, or against the traffic (most do), a crime

Not everything that has a law against it is a crime. If you violate a law, it does not mean a crime has been committed. It simply allows a crime to be prosecuted when it does occur. There is something that must occur to be a crime.

Here is the real test of this question: What must be involved in order for a crime to have occured?

First and OOPs in the main q, document should be undocumented worker.

All of you who started saying that you have got caught for a "crime" did you only do it that once that you got caught?

As to fixing their own country, most people can't because they have no voice. This is a growing problem in the US, not because of the imigrants, but because of the politicians who take bribes (oops, i meant special interest and political gifts).

Most illegals, just as most people who are citizens but live in overly impoverished areas, commit crimes because they can not get incomes to satisfy their living needs. People do what ever it takes to survive sometimes.

As to their taking our jobs, how many people have you seen with "homeless. will work for food" signs? are they out taking the jobs the illegals get? Or are they just after your and my money?

As to us having to support them, if we had good Government, we would need every one of those who came, and a world more too.

In responce to the idea that tax dollars could be given back to the tax payers....

TLMAO.

The US government gives the senators and reps who have as a starting wage 180thousand per year, a 6% raise every year. The military is lucky if they see 3%
Lets do basic math here,
6% of 180,000 is what about 10,000
3% of 15,000 is what, about 450

The State of California's State Elected Officers, who make a starting pay of about $100,000 per year,in a year they were saying they needed to cut school funding, gave them selves 12% pay increase. That is $12,000, but the people were given in increase in tax rate. and we are seeing it again.
According to the IRS publications 25% of our tax dollars go to paying national debt. Every time we progress on paying it off, the US Government starts a spending spree, so that our debt comes back up to higher than it was.
The notion that we could better spend the tax dollars is true, but there are better sources other than blaming the shadow workers.

Before I close this question:

If you paid your ticket fines without having the government prove before a JURY of your Peers, then you have participated the US Constitution.

But back to the point, just because you paid those fines, did you stop doing the crime, or, once you paid the speeding ticket, did you resume speeding?

The point I am trying to make with this is that we must remember that the "illegals" are human beings and must be refered and treated as such by those who are debating this issue.

Bad Government here and abroad is the primary source of all problems that we must contend with.

You complain that the illegals get free education (so do you- public schools such as preschool to 12th) but so do many people in this country. I have never been given FREE education ( even when I made a wholluping 11k working for Arby's) but that does not mean we should blame the "illegals" but point the blame where it belongs: The Elected Politicians who break their promises.

to Compasionate Angel;
I know that you had a bad experience, I have had many too, myself.

In fact, I was the target of an entire town's latino population because of one kid's lies about me. But, we can not let bad experiences stop us from respecting someone as a human being with (as found in the declaration of independance) the rights to LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, and the recognition of having been CREATED AS AN EQUAL.

These are the ideas which our nation is founded. We need to find a better way than to blame all the problems of our society on a group of people that are easy targets. That is what the NAZIs did, that is even what was used to help end slavery in the NE United States before the civil war ( just because they were against slavery does not mean they thought better of the blacks. and history shows that the souther slave owner thought better of the blacks than did the northern anti-slavery man)

Hate or fear is never a reason to act with hostility.

Answer 1

I understand the premise of your argument but think it is non sequitor.

Personally I am fine with them staying as long as they are legalized and made to pay taxes like the rest of us. No more free health care etc. THAT is crimminal.

Answer 2

I live in front of four illegal alien families. Since I have lived here, they have destroyed my property, been arrested numerous times for drugs and drinking, had huge parties and had the cops called in the past, more than twentyfive times. They used to throw their clothing on the railings, and have urinated on the property....I as a Christian,..or at least trying to be one, endured their hateful wrath and admited hatred for Americans for years...because we live right across the street from my husbands work, and moving for us was not an option. We felt that the ILLEGALS should move out..they were the ones destroying the property, doing drugs, and dealing drugs,...getting illegal welfare and sending that back to Mexico..believe me,..I have done NOTHING illegal..because I try to do what God wants me too...So the 'innocent' illegals that you talk about, what a joke.

Answer 3

Are you equating traffic violations with document fraud ? Maybe we can have a illegal steal your legal documents and see how long it's takes for you to see the different
Ever day in the country myself and others are given all types of speeding tickets, jaywalking tickets, and we paid the fines, so does that means that illegals that get caught are doing the same, I don't think so, they are going to get amnesty. So then next time I get a DUI ( never got one but using it as a example) I can say that all the illegals got amnesty, and I demand it also, how far will I get.

Answer 4

sometime pepper spray isn't powerful in a desperate guy attempting to rape her. So I say she could desire to hold a gun. in the courts women are regarded at in a distinctive way than adult men. If a woman killed a guy attempting to rape her she does not get penitentiary time. In Texas a guy broke right into a house and the female shot him 5 circumstances, she won't do any penitentiary time. Pepper spray could quit some, however the girls are greater suitable of with a handgun,and the preparation to apply it wisely.

Answer 5

I was guilty of speeding one time and do you know what happened? I had to go to court and pay a fine. I did the crime and I did the time, by the way the speeding ticket was close to $150.00 and had something like $40 in court costs. How are illegals being held accountable for breaking the law?

Answer 6

Unlawful Entry is a CRIME. Zero tolerance for immigration-law violators! No amnesty, no "stealth-amnesty." No "change of status," marriage fraud, "exceptional leave to remain," no "Temporary Protected Status." If you break the law, depart or be deported. Illegal aliens kill more US citizens each year than the war in Iraq has killed in four years. Apologists for illegal immigration like to paint it as a victimless crime. But in fact, illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population--the poor, minorities, and children. Additionally, job competition by waves of illegal immigrants willing to work at substandard wages and working conditions depresses the wages of American workers, hitting hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees. Illegal immigration also contributes to the dramatic population growth overwhelming communities across America--crowding school classrooms, consuming already limited affordable housing, and straining precious natural resources like water, energy, and forestland. Taxpayers are being forced to pay for the free health care, education, and other welfare programs being given to illegal aliens; Those tax dollars could be given back to U.S. taxpayers or used to keep our borders secure; They may be here illegally, but they sure know how to "work the system" to collect "free" medical care, "free" education, "free" food, Section 8 housing vouchers and other housing assistance, and hundreds of other social services. It costs citizens additional hundreds of billions of tax dollars at every level: local, state, and federal. It gobbles up billions of our charitable contributions. And much of that money ends up siphoned out of our economy and into offshore accounts. Illegal aliens, over half of whom work "under the table" with neither job nor income reported (nor taxed), are not counted as employed or unemployed. But some of those day-labor and off-the-books "job-lets" would be "real" jobs - available to American citizen job-seekers - if employment regulations were enforced. Illegal aliens can get away with tax evasion, et al., which citizens cannot. In short, we have too many workforce entrants and too few jobs created. The ratio works out to roughly 7-10 workforce entrants per job created. If all illegal aliens depart or are deported, all legal immigration halted, and all temporary employment visas abolished, we still have a problem with more US-born workforce entrants than new jobs created. Illegal immigration damages our country and our citizens every day at every level. And not even the attacks of 2/26 and 9/11 have awakened many Americans to the vast dangers illegal immigration poses to our selves, our families, our communities, our society, our values, our principles, our civilization. Zero Tolerance for Immigration-Law Violators! We must remember the lessons of 2/26, 9/11, and the costs we bear every single day. God Bless the U S A !

Answer 7

The question is not whether or not we committed a petty crime. THE QUESTION IS: HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN THE USA AFFORD TO JUST WALK IN, DRIVE IN,FLY IN, SHIP IN AND SUCK OFF OF OUR GOVERNMENT TEAT? We need protection from people who do not want to seek citizenship in the legal way which gurantees that we won't have to support them, have crimes committed against us by them, and to abuse our support systems set up for our legal citizens. So why can't you just try and get citizenship the legal way?? Huh???

Answer 8

your reasoning is beyond stupid!! if i trespass into someones home or property, i am a criminal! if i steal someones identity-i am a criminal. i am an American citizen and i am entitled to live here!! they are not, oh boo-hoo on their trying to get a better life, so are millions of Americans that these illegals are taking from!!! they are criminals and deserve nothing but to be deported or jailed or worse!!! no amnesty for illegal criminals, call or write your congressmen today and tell them " no on immigration bill" illegals go home!!!

Answer 9

Cry me a river. It is never OK to commit a crime, regardless of your motivation. If they can't get a better life at home, tough. Fix their own country, because by coming here they lower the standard of living here.

We should start shooting them on site at the border as soon as they enter the US.

Answer 10

crossing the border illegally is a crime. if i speed in trafic i pay for that, i get a ticket. if i kill someone i go to prison,if i decide to j-walk and a policeman decide to give me a ticket i have to pay for it, if i decide not to go to court for my tickets and not pay them i get arrested on a warrant.

what are the illegals paying for their crimes? nothing.