Do churchy types get off on people's outraged reactions over their illogical B.S.?

Question

I can't help but notice that when logic fails during a discussion with a closed-minded fundie churchie type, and all that's left is an outraged yell of frustration from running forever around their circular logic, that the churchie-church-church gets a look on their face akin to sexual gratification. Not just from personal experience, but on television shows such as talk shows, etcetera.

Is it true? Do insane people get off on making logical thinkers freak out?

Answer 1

I doubt you are serious with this question.

I think you already know the answer, too. Consider your parents for a moment. I doubt that you or anyone would appreciate flippant and crass commentary about your Mother or Father. Then how is it you expect different when you make crass and immature comments about a something believed to be so much greater than one's parents? I am certain you know how to ask and answer questions in an intelligent, thoughtful, manner.

Are you sure that your current behavior is the way you want to represent yourself? No doubt you feel emboldened hiding behind the anonymity of the computer, but deep inside yourself I believe you know how poisonous how you are acting will become for you. Your parents did not raise you this way, and the people you truly admire in this world do not act similarly. Seek to honor and measure up to the standards to which you were raised and are expected of you. In the end you will find the respect you will receive from others, and your own self-respect to be immeasurable.

Answer 2

"the churchie-church-church gets a look on their face akin to sexual gratification."

Sounds like a classic case of projection to me.

"Do insane people get off on making logical thinkers freak out?"

That might explain a lot about some atheist's behavior, yes.

Answer 3

I wouldn't go so far as to say they "get off on it", but I know for a fact that at least some strict fundamentalists take a smug satisfication in angering an atheist.

I have observed, from my own house, that there are apparently two types of Christians:

1. The first type is like my mom; open-minded, willing to have a debate, back up her reasons for believing, and listen to my reasons for not sharing her beliefs.

2. The second type is like my dad; able to turn the most random conversations into a religious argument, bullies and shouts until I'm in a stuttering rage, then smugly says it's because I don't want to admit his words have touched my heart.

To Carl: You didn't just seriously compare belief in God to believing in China, did you? There's pictorial evidence for China.

Answer 4

No. And what I've found is that my logic doesn't make those who don't believe freak out. They say that what I believe makes sense, and so does WHY I believe it.

Maybe I'm not one of those "churchy" type people you're talking about...but I am a Christian, some people would call me a fundamentalist, and I do go to church.

Answer 5

Shouldn't it be impossible for logical thinkers to freak out? It's not logical to do that. There's no profit in it. Shouldn't it be impossible for logic to fail? Well, anyway, it makes you look like a fool when you freak out like that. Just present your next argument, and keep going. Insane people's mode of thinking can be broken down eventually. If that's the case, why do you think it's the logical thinker that broke down first?

Answer 6

Of course. They get the same joy that logical folks get by promoting inarguable logic against 'faith.' But why would you bother? You are really just pitting your 'facts' against their 'facts,' and waiting to see who will crack first.

Pulling these freaks out into the daylight only gives power to them and those who follow them. How do you give an ideologist power? Martyr him. Hold him up and persecute him. Then he, and his followers get their rush of oppressed, righteous outrage, which is what they were shooting for.

As time goes by, more spiritual folks are losing the desire to be divisive (a defeatist strategy, at best) and using their faith to promote peace. Irish Protestant and Catholic leaders are agreeing that there is no longer any reason to fight. The president of Iran (or is he a prime minister?) released those sailors in observation of Mohammed's birthday, Easter holiday, and Passover, all at the same time! As long as we continue to move away from sectarian violence, as a culture, the more power we take away from the fundies, and they have to start using their faith for peace, not war, or be relegated to the crazy house like folks who kill abortion doctors or blow up planes.

Answer 7

Actually, I get more satisfaction in trying to calm the savage beast rather than incite one. (although I don't consider myself "churchy-churchy")
Really, my job as a Christian is to spread The Gospel. If this outrages someone, then they have to look inside themselves to find the answer why.
Have a great weekend!

Answer 8

Logic and faith have very little in common in this area. They are two different ways of approaching spirituality.

What you see as closed-minded churchy stuff, they see as faith. What you see as logical deduction applied to spirituality, they see as closed-minded anti-theist stuff.

Until you understand faith and faith-based reasoning (whether you agree with it or not) vs. logic based reasoning applied to spirituality, you will continue to "freak out."

You cannot debate faith against logic. Both say the other is flawed.

Answer 9

It's very logical to believe in the supreme being, that we call God.
To believe in nothing is not only illogical it's impossible since most of our knowledge is based on belief.
For example: I've never been to China but I believe that China exists because I choose to believe those who say it exists and who have been there.

Answer 10

you have a real undertaking in front of you and that i would be user-friendly, i would not comprehend what to declare to you, to handle the region. i could say that the youngsters will start to think of for themselves as they become previous, yet in situations like yours, while they are being indoctrinated right into a particular faith, it is a sort of brainwashing. the only difficulty i can work out which you will do. Is via occasion. i don't comprehend no be counted if i might flow to Church with them, if i became into on your place. i don't belong to any faith and that i might sense uncomfortable sitting listening to the doctrine. save speaking to them approximately not judging - quote Jesus in this and different classes he taught. i.e. Loving thy neighbour (meaning not announcing i'm top and my neighbour is faulty). Say Jesus did not get upset while each physique disagreed with him, and maybe it would be a solid difficulty if he copies Jesus and tried to be like him. (there isn't something incorrect with that for the time of any respect because of the fact i've got faith that Jesus had marvelous teachings yet they have been taken and interpreted in accordance to what a Church had to create.) attempt and are available across a e book, for his age, that talks greater with regard to the truthfully teachings of Jesus, not the prepared faith area, while you evaluate that's not what he needed, i don't think of. you're arranged to get around it via utilising Jesus as a solid occasion, in a distinctive way than what they are coaching in Church. in case you do it in a favorable way, with love, you're arranged to get someplace. stable success and do not forget approximately, save loving and constructive, no be counted what.