Catholics,If the Bible told you not to do something, and the Pope told you that you could.What would you do???

Question

AMDG, try reading Lev. 26:1.Bear in mind that the statue of Peter at the Vatican had need of repair recently.His toes had been kissed so much they had actually worn down to almost nothing.

rukkidin,sorry buddy but I have never been a Catholic.I was at one time a mennonite.The catholic church used to call them anabaptist because they believed that one must repent in order to be baptized Acts 2:38.They tortured and put them to death for not excepting their infant baptism.John Paul apologized for this act.But what happened to the gates of hell when this was going on?Go figure.
Source: Martyrs Mirror

ducky,this is not a test, nor a joke.

Fr. Joseph,I hate to tell you this but your not in Christ if you don't follow the Bible.Your just in the church,that it.

imacatholic2 do you ever try to let the Holy Spirit lead you or do you just answer every question with the same answer?You have so many misconceptions about the truth that its a shame.

Poor Billy what will I do with you.I pray for you but you seem to have conscience seared with a hot iron.I give you scripture and verse and you return it with traditions of men, and the doctrines of devils. 1 Timothy 4:1-3
You might want to read more on the Mennonite as well.They were once anabaptist before being called Mennonites by the catholics.Menno Simons left the catholics and joined the anabaptist after they beheaded a man for being rebaptized.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menno_Simons

Billy you and your church as you call it are heretics.I do as my Lord instructs me to, I shake the dust off of my feet as a testimony against you.From now on your answers will not be read by me.

Answer 1

Today, thanks to previous popes making themselves infallible to escape being imprisoned for their crimes, the Pope is the most powerful living God on planet Earth.

Yes, that is right, Catholics do not worship God in heaven, nor even Jesus Christ, but worship a human being who assumes the title, the image and the power of a deity here on Earth called the Pope.
See: The Almanac of Evil for more details;
http://one-faith-of-god.org/final_testament/end_of_darkness/evil/evil_0190.htm

Of course, most Catholics will find this a complete misrepresentation. But the facts are the facts. The Pope is infallible according to the Vatican- that makes him above all human law, even the church itself. That makes him a living God.

This makes The Pope, the Vatican, every Cardinal, every Bishop and Priest of the Catholic Church heretics against the Bible! It means technically, by their own doctrine they should be all automatically excommunicated since the end of the 19th Century.

No wonder Catholic find themselves conflicted. To follow Jesus, or to follow a cult that worships a man, claiming to be a God?

Answer 2

Don, since you were a Catholic, I think you already know the answer to this. The Pope will never and has never said anything that contradicted the bible. As you should know if you went to Catholic school, Catholics believe that the bible IS the inspired word of God. No, we don't take it literary but we do believe that God inspired the writers of the Bible and that God's word is in it. However, unlike some other Christians, Catholic do not discard history or tradition. We do not consider the bible any more than inspired by God and we do not think of it as an accurate account of history and science. We believe that there is infinitely more to God than the bible.

That said, I use the Pope and the Church as a guide to God and my faith. I am not a blind follower of anything as I believe that is denying the gifts of intelligence, among others, that God gave me in favor of someone else's judgment.

I'd be interested to know when the Pope said that Satan doesn't exist. I have never heard him say that or declare that in any capacity. If that means that a guy in a red suit with horns a pitch fork and a pointy tail, then I'd agree that Satan is much more clever than that. But the Pope would never say that evil doesn't exist.

I'd like to hear some of TG's evidence myself. Like what?

Answer 3

The fact is that this has never happened when the teaching of the Church has been in contradiction to the Bible. I am assuming that you are stating that the Pope would make a contradictory statement against what the Bible teaches ex cathedra. I do not see how this is possible but I would always follow the Sacred Traditions of the Church of which the Bible is an integral part.

In Christ
Fr. Joseph

Answer 4

Pastor Billy says: fact is don isn't looking for answers he is making a statement, a fallacious one at that. Catholicism don teaches to believe in all that Christ taught therefore we follow the living Word. The Word is not a thing it is a somebody. As already pointed out by another the Holy Bible and Holy Tradition do not contradict each other. You've already accepted Roman Catholic authority by accepting the canon of your New Testament scripture for you do not find a table of contents in the books of the bible. It was the Catholic Church which assembled and compiled which books were to be included. As far as anabaptist persecution, we've all been persecuted and you haven't provided evidence of Catholic leadership persecution against the Anabaptists for disagreement over infant baptism. It was of course Luther who had great issue with the Anabaptists in Northern Europe so your gun is pointing in the wrong direction as you should be pointing it at other Protestants.

My greatest prayer is for people as yourself to actually learn Christian history as a complete story not as some sort of propanganda campaign.

Anabaptist origins

A violent and extremely radical body of ecclesiastico-civil reformers which first made its appearance in 1521 at Zwickau, in the present kingdom of Saxony, and still exists in milder forms.

All Protestant denominations including anabaptist (which by the way have absolutely no connection or lineage with the Baptists today) have their own traditions including a biblical intrepretative tradition not found during the first 1600 years of Christendom

Source(s):

Anabaptist history
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01445b.h...

Mennonites history
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10190b.h...

Really don Catholics have more respect for God's word than you as you treat the sacred scriptures like a comic book.

addition: Correction don the Catholic Church gives you scripture (even Martin Luther couldn't deny that one), you've merely given us a novel interpretation of scripture.

"once you become a student of history you cease being Protestant" John Henry Cardinal Newman

Oh Donny-bot oops I mean Donny boy but you are like a bot aren't you, to be a heretic would be a Catholic who turns from the authentic Christian faith and actually begins teaching against it. As you can see I'm affirming first Christianity try your word association games with someone else. it's a real shame that Protestant apologists are so shallow you'd think they would have better historical proof to back up their claims. The easy way out is to claim you are following the Lord, well I'm trying to follow the Lord as it is a daily process Don and that means we both can't be right, you've decided to stay bigotted hope you find peace someday.

Answer 5

Obviously follow what the Bible and Sacred Tradition has to say.

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TG Can you offer any proof that the teachings of the Catholic Church are against any scripture? If you can let me know. . . I would love to show you that you are wrong.

Answer 6

Jesus stated "Get in the back of me Satan" which means that Satan was once influencing Peter at the moment. If you learn this entire bankruptcy right here Jesus is getting ready his disciples for his up coming loss of life. Jesus didn't imply Peter was once Satan. If you learn additional within the two bankruptcy of Galatians the cause Paul rebuked Peter is" on account that earlier than the arriving of particular guys from James, he used to consume with men and women of the countries, but if they arrived , he went chickening out and setting apart himself, in worry of the ones of the circumcised magnificence." Gal. two:12 In Gal two:thirteen it offers additional cause "The leisure of the Jews additionally joined him in striking in this pretense, in order that even Barnabas was once led in conjunction with them of their pretense" It was once tougher for Peter to stop the historic Jewish approaches and that's what he was once being condemned for. No, Peter does not have a deficient list. He was once the one person who identified Jesus because the Messiah. So he had his faults. He additionally had the accountability of being a main elder at a time while the Jewish country was once dissolved and Christianity took over. Have you performed whatever this essential? Remember the Jews in most cases desired those Christian upstarts useless. This had a large affect on Peter. He was once depended on ample to jot down books into the Bible so I feel he did a fine activity. Better than I would. All of Jesus' disciples had their exceptional faults. This must exhibit you the way sufferer and loving Jesus and God are. Evidently Peter was once in reality repentant or Jesus might have got rid of him.

Answer 7

Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

The Catholic Church does not use Holy Scripture as the only basis of doctrine. It could not. The early Catholic church existed before and during the time that the New Testament was written (by Catholics).

There were hundreds of Christian writings during the first and second centuries. Which New Testament writings would become official was not fully decided until about 400 AD.

Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit was guiding the early church (and is guiding the church today) to make the correct choices about things like:
+ The Holy Trinity (which is also only hinted at in the Bible)
+ Going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday (which is actually directly against one of the Ten Commandments)
+ The Communion of Saints
+ Which writings include in the New Testament?

Things that are even more modern like
+ Slavery is bad. Slavery is never declared evil in the Bible. This was one of the justifications for slavery in the Confederate States.
+ Democracy is good. The Bible states that either God should be the leader of the nation like Israel before the kings or kings should be the leader, "Give to Caesar that which is Caesar's." This was talked about a lot during the American Revolution.

This second source of doctrine is called Apostolic Tradition.

Do Christians who do not allow the continuing guiding force of the Holy Spirit to make their beliefs more and more perfect, still endorse slavery as Colossians 3:22 commands, "Slaves, obey your human masters in everything"?

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us. (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you. (1 Corinthians 11:2)

With love in Christ.

Answer 8

it depends on what's the 'something' the bible tells me not to do & Pope's telling me to do it. But I see that the word "Bible" means YOU, your very personel heart & concious, your life that your're living, your concepts that u belive in, in your very special way but very globel & human manner therefore the bible would NEVER tell u not to do a good thing but the Pope may do coz the Pope is a humanbeing not a God

Answer 9

That scenario is already happening. Many of the teachings of the Catholic faith are contrary to the Bible. Theses teachings are based on old "traditions" started by the Popes of the past. So the answer is, they follow the Pope, instead of studying the Bible to find the answers.

Answer 10

American Catholics don't follow all the Pope's decrees : )