Now, tell me where in the NT it says we must atone for our sins with Hail Marys?

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The Catholic Dilemma

Asking Mary to pray for us is simply tradition of men, not found in the Bible.

Being called the Mother of Mercy is another tradition of men.

Mary being called the All Holy One is yet another tradition of men.

Mary leading us to Jesus is another tradition of men, not found in God's Word.

Friends, God never said any of these things. They are all traditions that came from the minds of early Catholic leaders.

“Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” Jeremiah 33:3

cristoig,

The Bible never calls Mary the Mother of God but according to "Catholic Tradition", She is the Mother of God.

God was there a long time before Mary appeared so how can she be his mother?

Never before has an angel addressed somebody almost naming them full of grace. It doesn't say, "Hail, Mary, full of grace.

By the way, The Bible forbid lying Priest.

Stanbo,

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16

Catechism is of men. Why rely on that book?

Answer 1

the whole second half of the “hail mary” and portions of the “hail, holy queen” are blatantly unbiblical. while the first part of the hail mary is almost a direct quotation from luke 1:28. there is no scriptural basis for 1] praying to mary now, 2] addressing her as “holy” mary, or 3] calling her “our life” and “our hope.”

the bible nowhere instructs christians to pray through intermediaries, or to petition saints or mary [see in heaven] for their prayers.

Answer 2

Neither does it say that in the Bible nor does the Catholic Church teach that. Where did you get this idea?

It is true that in the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession), a Catholic priest may tell a person to say 1 or more Hail Mary's as a "penance". This is not an atonement for sin!

If you read the Book of James in the New Testament, you will read, "Have any of you sinned? Go to an elder of the church, confess your sin and you will be forgiven."

One of the problems is the original meaning of the English word "pray", which is to "ask". Mary is not God and she is not devine, however, what is wrong with asking her to pray for us?

It's true that Jesus did not say, specifically, that we should ask his mother to pray for us. He did say, though, "that the fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much". Can we agree that this applies to women also?

The apostle Paul, in the New Testament, tells us that we should pray for each other. He even asks the people in one of his churches to pray for him. So, asking other people to pray for us is Biblical.

Someone said that Jesus's mother Mary is asleep. Paul does say that there are those that "are asleep in Christ.". However he also says, "that to die is to be present to Christ.". Also, when Jesus is transfigured on the top of Mount Tabor, the 3 apostles with Him see and hear Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah about the upcoming events that will happen in Jerusalem. Certainly Moses and Elijah were not asleep!

Answer 3

That is a Catholic invention having nothing to do with the Bible. In fact there are several things about it contrary to the Bible teachings.
Prayer to idols
Prayer to other than God through Jesus
Treating a rosary as a holy object
Thinking sins are forgiven by ritual
sins are forgiven by heart felt prayer to God who judges by the heart of an individual, not ritual

Answer 4

It doesn't say that specifically. It does say to search the scriptures. It does say that we are supposed to test things. Christ's example was to know the scriptures and to be able to recite portions of them. He did tell us to pray. He did tell us to pray for each other.

The first part of the "Hail Mary" is simply scripture. It is the greeting that the Angel gave Mary. As such, it is memorized scripture. What's wrong with that? The second part is us asking a saint to pray on our behalf. Catholics don't expect Mary to save them, only to pray for them.

The point of prayers is to merely recongnize that we've done wrong, and to change our behavior by focussing on scripture and on Christ. That's all. It's about repentance ... using prayer and scripture to turn away from sin.

I'm not a Christian, but I've studied Catholocism and that's all it's about.

Answer 5

You are totally wrong.

The Hail Mary
The next prayer in the rosary, and the prayer which is really at the center of the devotion, is the Hail Mary. Since the Hail Mary is a prayer to Mary, many Protestants assume it’s unbiblical. Quite the contrary, actually. Let’s look at it.

The prayer begins, "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee." This is nothing other than the greeting the angel Gabriel gave Mary in Luke 1:28 (Confraternity Version). The next part reads this way:

"Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus." This was exactly what Mary’s cousin Elizabeth said to her in Luke 1:42. The only thing that has been added to these two verses are the names "Jesus" and "Mary," to make clear who is being referred to. So the first part of the Hail Mary is entirely biblical.

The second part of the Hail Mary is not taken straight from Scripture, but it is entirely biblical in the thoughts it expresses. It reads:

"Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen."

Let’s look at the first words. Some Protestants do object to saying "Holy Mary" because they claim Mary was a sinner like the rest of us. But Mary was a Christian (the first Christian, actually, the first to accept Jesus; cf. Luke 1:45), and the Bible describes Christians in general as holy. In fact, they are called saints, which means "holy ones" (Eph. 1:1, Phil. 1:1, Col. 1:2). Furthermore, as the mother of Jesus Christ, the Incarnate Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, Mary was certainly a very holy woman.

Some Protestants object to the title "Mother of God," but suffice it to say that the title doesn’t mean Mary is older than God; it means the person who was born of her was a divine person, not a human person. (Jesus is one person, the divine, but has two natures, the divine and the human; it is incorrect to say he is a human person.) The denial that Mary had God in her womb is a heresy known as Nestorianism (which claims that Jesus was two persons, one divine and one human), which has been condemned since the early 400s and which the Reformers and Protestant Bible scholars have always rejected.

Another Mediator?

The most problematic line for non-Catholics is usually the last: "pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." Many non-Catholics think such a request denies the teaching of 1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." But in the preceding four verses (1 Tim. 2:1-4), Paul instructs Christians to pray for each other, meaning it cannot interfere with Christ’s mediatorship: "I urge that prayers, supplications, petitions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone. . . . This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior."

We know this exhortation to pray for others applies to the saints in heaven who, as Revelation 5:8 reveals, intercede for us by offering our prayers to God: "The twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

For the rest of the explanation about the Holy Rosary prayer go to this link.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Rosary.asp
May the Lord's peace be with you!

Answer 6

"The first, "Hail (Mary) full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women", embodies the words used by the Angel Gabriel in saluting the Blessed Virgin (Luke, I, 28). The second, "and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (Jesus)", is borrowed from the Divinely inspired greeting of St. Elizabeth (Luke 1:42), which attaches itself the more naturally to the first part, because the words "benedicta tu in mulieribus" (I, 28) or "inter mulieres" (I, 42) are common to both salutations. Finally, the petition "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen."

"The invocation of the most holy Mother of God, thereby implying that we should piously and suppliantly have recourse to her in order that by her intercession she may reconcile God with us sinners."
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Intercession is the operative word in answering your question.

Answer 7

"The prayer says, "Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed aren't thou among women. blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the time of our death." Where in this prayer does it say that the prayer to Mary atones for sin? It simply asks her to pray for us just as we would ask anyone to pray for us. Do you not pray for others or ask others to pray for you. If so, why would you not want St. Mary to pray for you.You see, the apostolic Church of Christ and the apostles believed and taught the Communion of Saints which consists of the Church militant, Suffering and Triumphant. St. Mary being a part of the Church Triumphant, through her love for all prays for those who request her prayers just as we pray for others out of our love in Christ's example. What specifically do you find wrong with this prayer?

In Christ
Fr. Joseph

Answer 8

It doesn't say to pray to Mary period.. She would be like having an idiol. She is not a God or part of the trinty. She was a women that loved and feared God and he choose her... that is all

Answer 9

that's something the church made up to sell raffle ticket. Jesus said after this manner therefor pray you "our father" not hail Mary but some wingnut will pull something out to justify it I bet

Answer 10

oh whoa you got us with that one. now tell us catholics where in the bible it says

faith alone
scripture alone
not to call mary "blessed"
to make fun of blessed mary
judge others and have contempt for them........shall i go on?