Why do muslims recon you can't judge islam by the obvious muslims and islamic run countires like other groups

Question

Lets see.


* You dont judge judge heavey metallers and goths by relgious books you judge them by the the actions of goths and Metallers.

The relgious books say they are all eveil and wicked with T shirts and music may be bloody.... but meeting the people in their clubs ... they are pretty much all friendly and fun and pick you up if you fall down.

No problems with couples or kissing etc.

* You dont judge judge Gays and lesbinas by relgious books you judge them by the the actions of gays and lesbians.

Ie the relgious teachings say they are wicked, perverted, evil, a danger to kids etc etc.

But hang around them they have no probs with straights kissing and cuddling and are pretty nice, funny, friendly and creative usually.


* With the porn industry (the legit one... non legit are no different to sweat shop factories) the models are supposed to be evil sinners, wicked and nasty.

If you meet them you will probably find them mostly nice, friendly, maybe a bit

Star egoed in some but again no probs with affection.

* Now nazis say they are all about pride, and godness, and purity and defending their country...

But again you dont jugde them by their docterine... their relgious books... You judge by their action in murder, concentration camps and gas chambers and war like attiudes.

* Likewise Christianity

Its books say its all peace and love ...

Yet look at its history soaked in the blood of pagans, pagan tribes like native americans, Relgious wars, sectarian wars, terrorisim, Abusive childrens homes, sexisim, homophobia, repression of teenagers and sexaulity... nasty nasty nastiness in reality.


Thats how you judge chriatianity from the point of view of the burned witch, the girl expelled from school for appearing in playboy, the girl gotton pregant as religion denied contraception in school and proper sex ed.


then refered to as a **** and whore if has the kid


*** Now islam

Why not the same set of rules?

Islam books and people say its all sweetness and nice, equality for the sexes, peace, mercy. forgiveness, intelligence etc etc.


Yet look at its actions.

ISLAM LINKS

EXECUTING 13 YEAR OLDS GIRLS FOR HAVING SEX… DEATH BY STONING THE MOST VIOLENT, AGONISING AND SCARY WAY… SEE VIDEO AFTER LINK

http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2004/october/izadi_161004.shtml


DEFFINETELY SEE THIS ALL THE WAY THOUGH TO THE END

IMAGINE THE SCREAMS AND USE A STOPWATCH


http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

The true nature of islam

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002092.html

Why are you surprised

read these sites - from ex-muslims
Source(s):
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

http://www.apostatesofislam.com...

http://www.pmw.org.il/index.html...

http://www.anti-cair-net.org

http://www.frontpagemag.com

http://www.faithfreedom.org

TREATMENT OF WOMEN

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ateqeh_Rajabi

http://www.iranliberty.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=18&Itemid=63

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/saudi/briefing/4.html

http://www.dhushara.com/book/sakina/stoningetc/stoning.htm

http://www.rawa.org/jail.htm

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html

HONOUR KILLINGS

http://www.rawa.org/honorkilling.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=396745&in_page_id=1770

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1328238.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2567077.stm

http://www.hindunet.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=71832&Main=60597


GAYS BEING EXECTUTED

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1838222,00.html

http://clarityandresolve.com/archives/2005/07/iran_killing_ga.php

FORCED ARRANGED MARRIAGE

http://marriage.about.com/od/arrangedmarriages/a/childbride.htm?terms=human+rights+chicago

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=612&id=437042002

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=389831&in_page_id=1879&in_a_source

16 YEAR OLD HUNG FOR HAVING SEX.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/08/29/do2903.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/08/29/ixportal.html

http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3661

DEATH OF A PRINCESS EXECUTED FOR FALLING IN LOVE
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/princess/

http://www.transdiffusion.org/emc/behindthescreens/princess.php

200 MURDERED IN RIOTS OVER A SILLY BEAUTY SHOW AND JOKE WHILST YOUNG MOTHERS TO BE TORTURE STONED TO DEATH
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2240790.stm

AND THE MOST EVIL OF ALL SUPPORTED MAINLY IN ISLAMIC COUNTIRIES AND SOME COPTIC CHRISTIAN ONES

See these links most off all
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engact770071997

http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/somalia/fmgpictures.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/fgmsociety/pictures.htm
http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/somalia/fmgpictures.htm
http://www.spinifexpress.com.au/kadi/kadi.htm

http://www.spinifexpress.com.au/kadi/whatfgm.htm


If you think it’s only the odd wacko individual who does this try these figures for size ... Source Amnesty International

These figures are the whole of the female population think how many millions that is.
Egypt 97% Clitoridectomy, excision, and infibulations
Ethiopia 90%
Nigeria 50%
Somalia 98% Infibulation
Virtually all Somali women are genitally mutilated. There is no law specifically prohibiting FGM.

And that's just a few.
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm9.htm

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ANS TO THE LEIGH

The question is saying why is it muslims think they have any credibility when they respond to evidence that their relgion is brutal, sexist and repressive as displayed by the countires where it has power and what the authourityies do according to islamic law with the support of the muslim people.


Ie its saying islami is not about sexsim yet where ever it gains power sexsit ideology in introduced and very sexisit at that.


It says its peaceful yet look at all the jihad behavour to push islam.

it says its about peace and mercy yet look at the stonings and executions of kids for falling in love by the most vicious means around.



Its saying ALL groups from wicca to nazis, christiainty and nazis

You judge it by how it works in practice, where it holds power and the attiudes of its people and behavour and beleifs


SO WHY NOT ISLAM? WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL THAT IT CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS AND NOT BE JUDGED THE SAME ?

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ZEN YOU DONT GET IT DO YOU?


IM NOT REFERING TO THE ODD NUT.


IM REFERING TO THINGS LIKE SHARIA LAW WHERE ITS NOT THE ODD NUT


BUT THE ENTIRE LEGAL SYSTEM WHERE THE COPS, LAWYERS, JUDGES, EXECUTIONERS, IMMANS PREACHING AND PEOPLE SUPPORTING IT ALL GUILTY.


IF NOT WHY DONT THE PEOPLE STROM THE PRISIONS TO FREE THE GIRLS OR ATTACK THE EXECUTIONERS INSTEAD OF PICKING UP ROCKS TO JOIN IN?


WHY DOES HONOUR KILLINGS AND STONINGS NOT OCCUR IS SAY WICCA?

OR BUDDISIM?

ETC

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You cannot judge Muslims by so-called Islamic run countries, because they don't actually follow the rules.


ERM ACTUALLY YOU DO.

ITS LIKE ANYTHING... YOU JUDGE BY HOW IT WORKS IN PRACTICE NOT THEROY.


Like comparing gangster rap culture with heavey metal culture.

Both have violence in the music and immagery.


Yet you dont see heavey metal gangs mugging people or shooting people as they got dissed, or fights over nothing do you?


Same principle

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by any means

The small minority do not represent the majority, what is their basis it is not Islam. I could do the same with any other religion or ideology!

See the links


IT IS THE MAJORITY !!!!!!!!!!


AS SAID WE ARE TALKING THE LAWS OF THE LAND THERE NOT THE ODD PSYCHO.

AND THE CULTURE IN GENERAL ...


IE IS IT THE ODD GIRL MADE TO WARE A BURKA OR ALL THE GIRLS...


AND YOU CLEARLY FAILED MATHS

These figures are the whole of the female population think how many millions that is.
Egypt 97% Clitoridectomy, excision, and infibulations
Ethiopia 90%
Nigeria 50%
Somalia 98% Infibulation
Virtually all Somali women are genitally mutilated. There is no law specifically prohibiting FGM.

And that's just a few.
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm9.htm

HIGH 90s % is MOST not a few and Nigeria is about 50% muslim... funny pattern that.

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Albek....


Note I do judge the cowboys and nazis by the same rules and its not the odd few executions...


More all the honour killings and fear of them and family honour.


And enforced dress codes on half the popualtion designed to stop them having mixed friends of both sexes and finding their own sexaul partners so their controlers can act like pimps and decide for them.

As said...


You operate by say doing a direct comparison say with wicca ir hippies.


which out of islam and hippies


are anti affection between anyone in love regard;less of marraige


which are gay friendly...


Funny I dont hear about marid Gras gay parades in Afganistan and Saudi Arabia?

Likewise when we have a silly and dull beauty contest... people switch off.


in Nigeria they murdered 200 people

200 MURDERED IN RIOTS OVER A SILLY BEAUTY SHOW AND JOKE WHILST YOUNG MOTHERS TO BE TORTURE STONED TO DEATH
http://news.bbc.co.uk

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If its whole countires legal systems and most islamic countiries with islaimic laws... it looks like a duck, it qucks like a duck it is a duck

Answer 1

Congratulations you have just posted the longest question I have seen on YA

Answer 2

You cannot judge Muslims by so-called Islamic run countries, because they don't actually follow the rules. By the way, why don't you judge the Nazis? They were Christian. Why don't you judge the American settlers who killed Native Americans. Well I don't, my point is followers of a religion are human and they will manipulate religion to suit them. If you compare the death of 20 million Native Americans to a couple of executions then you are an idiot. Again my point is we cannot judge doctrine by the mistakes of its followers. When you talk about the doctrine of Islam, then I will refute.
Hey IDIOT, did you read the part about these so-called Islamic countries DON"T EVEN FOLLOW THE RULES? CAN YOU READ? Most of these leaders go out with mistresses and gamble in Las Vegas.
There are more than 4 or 5 Muslim countries and most of them do not practice FGM. Notice how Egypt, Ethiopia, and Somalia are in the same region, it was a cultural thing and still is.

Answer 3

ok
yes and there are killers ,robbers and drugs addict who are friendly nice and fun,too.
your mixing things alot .
first of all judging should be on the origional sources which any persons follow not on him or her .
nobody in the world has the right to say wether someone is bad or not ,we only judge the actions if its right or wrong .Being nice and friendly doesnt mean that the bad thing that you did is right so we as humans should help each other and guide each other to the way which we think is right in a good manner ,like what the almighty said: "translation"
{125] Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. }the holy Quran,surah16-.

I'd like to tell you that you are doing the same thing you dislike you are judging us unfairly and picking up the bad things only ,you dont know if they are on the right islamic laws or not .
yes Islam is the true religion, a relgion of peace, mercy and justice,a religion of common sense, and is a complete and successfull way of life to the people who are followingit as a whole only . and if some muslims dont follow islam completelly they are responsible for their actions not Islam .

Answer 4

coming from a true communist christian goth who lives in these decadent united states of america, i can understand these jihadist ideas of the 'great satan', i mean, with all the immorality flowing from the gutter to the presidency, ie the clinton/lewinsky sex scandal, then bomb some former soviet bloc nation to move the camera off of the cigar, to church..have you seen the way some chicks dress in church?!bosoms and thighs, put on a shawl and lap blanket already and that could be in the winter, where is the modest apparel and why do they not keep silent in the churches..we are in this world but not of this world,..these formats are places to voice/type ourselves,..even these mediums can be out of control, with so many clowns out of work, they jump on the www,..besides your question/stament being a bit winded, i would say with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged,..or as dmx once put it, judge not, lest ye judged firs,..

i e a e,..
unificationist,..

Answer 5

good point. but goths and suchlike are not all from one religion, so as a subculture you jusge them on their own merits. not that you should judge anyone, but if they catagorise themselves as such then thats how they want to be seen, following the ideals of that genre, make up etc. but there are groups of goth, emo, manga etc just like there are groups of muslims.
but the actions of a few ALWAYS ruin it for the many. there are crazy muslims who are suicide bombers and there are lovely nice muslims and there are normals, just like any religion.

you can read any religiou text and interpret it in your own way, but people love to stereotype.
it makes it easier to form a snap judgement, but it is true that MOST ppl nowadays are the same, same tv, same shops, same ideas.

Answer 6

I think if your that insecure and need to believe in a god or make up a mythical prophet like jesus or mohamhead to get through life, your mentally damaged and should seek help.

Why god squadders can't follow the ramblings of their old story books, be it bible or quornran, in their own homes and not try and inflict it on those more enlightened is beyond me.

It would be like a double amputee trying to persuade me that having no legs is better than having legs.

Answer 7

"Islam books and people say its all sweetness and nice, equality for the sexes, peace, mercy. forgiveness, intelligence etc etc."

The above quote is probably the biggest lie ever told. Why don't you read the Koran, read the Hadiths and find out? There just too many evil things in there to put them here.

Islam, whatever way you want to look at it, be it by their holy scriptures, by the actions of muslims, by the actions of imams, by the actions of politicians of islamic countries, by the actions of islamic fundamentalist and not forgetting actions of islamic terrorist, ALL of them, confirms this religion to be violent, hateful, anti-equality, racist and downright evil.

Answer 8

Yeah I think you are right. I wasn't sure what you were going on about until you said about the Nazis - don't judge them by their doctrine but by their actions. Fair point.

Answer 9

The small minority do not represent the majority, what is their basis it is not Islam. I could do the same with any other religion or ideology!

Answer 10

I'm sorry, My English is not THAT good, I honestly don't understand your question,
Perhaps you can rephrase it and put it in a Question sentence?

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