To those of you who doubt the Trinity..... (#2)?

Question

Our Almighty God can do ANYTHING.There is NOTHING that He is incapable of.

WITHOUT scriptural references, and using your OWN logic and reasoning..... please answer this question:

Can the Holy Spirit live inside EVERY Christian? And exist in each of us - AT THE SAME TIME?

LP.... the only part I was looking for was
"yes, His spirit exists in all of us!" which you answered correctly. :o)

So the Holy Spirit can be in more than one place at once...ie in both NY and CA? Why then, is it illogical to suggest that God, who can do ANYTHING, (and the bible even says so.)...could be in Heaven and on Earth at the same time?

GH... God cannot lie, but that is NOT the same thing.....I am not a pagan, and our own personal body is God's temple, the home of the Holy Spirit.

Answer 1

Yes Anna, The Holy Spirit could dwell in all of us. Wouldn't it be a perfect world if people allow it to happen.? Blessings

Answer 2

To understand what the Bible has to say about God's holy spirit we must first note the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words translated "spirit",namely,the Hebrew word ru'ahh and the Greek word pneu'ma.Both of these words have the meaning of "breath","blast" or "wind" and are translated in various ways.While the term "Holy Ghost" occurs some ninety times in the Kings James and Douay versions,it is actually an Old English term,"ghost" being derived from the German word geist,meaning "spirit".That is why the expression "Holy Ghost" doesn't appear in modern translations.
God's Holy Spirit is an invisible force that God uses to accomplish his purposes.It is not something within each of us.It is not a person.Nor does it 'live'within us.
We can pray for Holy Spirit to guide us,strengthen us.Anything we pray that is spiritual God's Holy Spirit can help us.
You need to remember that Jehovah God is a mighty spirit being.He does not and never did reside on the earth.
The trinity is NOT a bible teaching.It stems from pagan beliefs that were fused in with apostate Christianity in the fourth century CE.Look up the encyclopedias,even the Catholic encyclopedia admits that.

Answer 3

OK then by using my own logic and reasoning if the holy spirit is inside every Christian that means God has over one billion parts.

Because naturally each Christan represents another part of God.

Do you see the fallacy in this argument?


My problem is not with the Trinity but with dividing God in any number of parts. Why not a quadity or a duality?

The fact is when you boil down to it God either is one or it is made up of infinite parts (which is basically the same thing)

To divide God into three parts goes against logic and reasoning.

Answer 4

There is no truth outside the Bible, So asking people to make up their own gods using their own imagination without the Scriptures is unreasonable.

The Bible tells us that God's Holy Spirit is what animates all living creatures (Ecclesiastes 3:19) so yes, His spirit exists in all of us!

As for the Roman 3-in-1 god; Jesus makes it perfectly clear so many times that anyone who says that Jesus is equal to the Almighty Father is basically calling Jesus a liar!

read
John 20:17
John 17:3-5
John 5:19
John 14:28
Mark 10:18
Matthew 26:39
John 8:17-18
Mark 13:32
Matthew 20:23
Matthew 3:17

now, someone might say that Jesus said he and the Father are "one" but Jesus also then said that his true followers are "one" with him and the Father so does that then make all of his true followers god as well? of course not!
John 10:30 & John 17:21

Jesus also taught his apostles that he was in subjection to, and serves his Father, the only true Almighty God, in the past, present and future
see
Revelation 3:12
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
Acts 3:13
Philippians 2:6

supporters of the Roman god also use 1 John 5:7 to prove their co-equal 3-in-1 god but 1 John 5:5 says "Jesus is the son of God" and verse 6 in the oldest manuscripts extant states that he came by "water and blood". John, like all Bible writers is inspired by God's holy spirit to bear witness. Verse 7 only says "the three bear witness", the rest of the stuff in verse 7 of the KJV was added in the FIFTH CENTURY! Then in the oldest manuscripts extant verse 8 doesnt have anything about "and there are three that bear witness in earth", it merely uses the same Greek words in verse 6 for "water and blood".
All theologic historians know those facts!

the trinity god was invented in the time of Babel
the first trinity god was Cush/Semiramis/Nimrod and the Romans had their own trinity god before Jesus came to earth. The Roman government forced their trinity god on the early Christians in 325 A.D.

agape!

Answer 5

Can breath reside in us that are living at the same time. There is an exception The holy spirit is spirit in which we know nothing about except what the Bible teaches so we can't use human logic about Him. Our wisdom is foolishness to God. have to use a little scripture. Let me ask you how does God hear all our prayers at the same time? That's because the Holy spirit dwells in every believer.

Answer 6

If everything God created was put inside a box, God would be the only thing outside the box that you would know. Everything inside the box, including you, would be inside the box.

Using logic, one would have to say that what was created is not the same as the creator. So logically, it is impossible to use the time and space reasoning and say God is forced into the box because of it.

The God that made the universe, made it so big we can't imagine it. He built it on atoms that are so small we can grasp how this earth was made. After lacking the imagination to grasp these two elementary components of creation....to then conclude what God can and can not do....is illogical.

Answer 7

I like the way you use Colosians' verse to describe yourself. But I see you have wrong information about God all this time.

First, there is no such thing as TRINITY. Only people who do not believe in the Bible believes in trinity. Only pagans has this beliefs. I hope you are not one of them.

Second, there is one thing God cannot do. (But you asked for no scriptural references so I guess you have to look it for yourself).

Third, it seems you have created an imaginary physical image of the Holy Ghost in your mind, that's why you asked If the Holy Ghost can EXIST in each of us "at the same time". In "what seems to be your idea" - NO! But in Biblical sense, the Holy Ghost lives in the body which is the church! And the church I am referring to here is not those "identified denominations" but the spiritual community of believers.

God bless you..

Answer 8

I don't "doubt" the trinity; I know there is no trinity. Yes, the Holy Spirit can live inside every Christian because the Holy Spirit is Spirit, just like the name implies, and not one of three "persons."
With my own logic and reason, and not with sciptural reference? But the holy sciptures define what I believe; my own logic doesn't determine what God is.

Answer 9

Apparently, god is incapable of:

Proving his own existence.
Appearing in person to anyone on the planet.
Inspiring a book (the bible) that makes any sense.

As for your question, there is no holy spirit, so it can't live in anything.

Answer 10

Yes!!.......But that doesn't mean that there is such a thing called the "trinity"......Notice this admission in the New Bible Dictionary: "The term 'Trinity' is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century, but received wide currency and formal elucidation only in the 4th and 5th centuries" (1996, "Trinity").

The same dictionary explains that "the formal doctrine of the Trinity was the result of several inadequate attempts to explain who and what the Christian God really is . . . To deal with these problems the Church Fathers met in 325 at the Council of Nicaea to set out an orthodox biblical definition concerning the divine identity." However, it wasn't until 381, "at the Council of Constantinople, [that] the divinity of the Spirit was affirmed . . ."

Another theological source admits that there was "an impression of binitarianism [that is, two in unity, the Father and Son] given by much second- and third-century thought . . . Pluralist thinkers . . . maintained the full co-presence of the two (later three) distinct entities within the Godhead . . ." (Alan Richardson, editor, A Dictionary of Christian Theology, 1969, p. 345, emphasis added).

We see, then, that the doctrine of the Trinity wasn't formalized until long after the Bible was completed and the apostles were long dead in their graves. It took later theologians several centuries to sort out what they believed concerning the Holy Spirit. Regrettably, the Trinity doctrine has been a major barrier to clear comprehension of the biblical truth that God is a divine family.

... This Spirit is not only the Spirit of God the Father, for the Bible also calls it the "Spirit of Christ" (Romans 8:9; Philippians 1:19). By either name, it is the same Spirit, as there is only one Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 4:4). The Father imparts the same Spirit to true Christians through Christ (John 14:26; 15:26; Titus 3:5-6), leading and enabling them to be His children and "partakers of the divine nature" (Romans 8:14; 2 Peter 1:4).

In contrast to God the Father and Jesus Christ, who are consistently compared to human beings in Their form and shape, the Holy Spirit is consistently represented, by various symbols and manifestations, in a completely different manner—such as wind (Acts 2:2), fire (verse 3), water (John 4:14; 7:37-39), oil (Psalm 45:7; compare Acts 10:38; Matthew 25:1-10), a dove (Matthew 3:16) and an "earnest," or down payment, on eternal life (2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; Ephesians 1:13-14, KJV). These depictions are difficult to understand, to say the least, if the Holy Spirit is a person.

If God were a Trinity, surely Paul, who recorded much of the theological underpinnings of the early Church, would have comprehended and taught this concept. Yet we find no such teaching in His writings.

Moreover, Paul's standard greeting in his letter to the churches, as well as individuals to whom he wrote, is "Grace to you and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." In each of his greetings he never mentions the Holy Spirit. (The same can also be said of Peter in the salutations of both his epistles.)

The same greeting, with only minor variations, appears in every epistle that bears Paul's name (see Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:3; 2 Corinthians 1:2; etc.) The Holy Spirit is always left out of these greetings—an unbelievable and inexplicable oversight if it were indeed a person or entity coequal with God the Father and Christ.

This is even more surprising when we consider that the congregations to which Paul wrote had many gentile members from polytheistic backgrounds who had formerly worshiped numerous gods. Paul's epistles record no attempt on his part to explain the Trinity or Holy Spirit as a divine person equal with God the Father and Jesus Christ.

In all of Paul's writings, only in 2 Corinthians 13:14 is the Holy Spirit mentioned along with the Father and Christ, and there only in connection with the "fellowship of the Holy Spirit" (NIV) in which believers share—not in any sort of theological statement on the nature of God. God's Spirit, says Paul, is the unifying agent that brings us together in godly, righteous fellowship, not only with one another but with the Father and Son.

Yet here, too, God's Spirit is not spoken of as a person. Notice that our fellowship is of the Holy Spirit, not with the Holy Spirit. As 1 John 1:3 tells us, "truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ." The Holy Spirit is not mentioned.

Paul states that "there is one God, the Father, . . . and one Lord Jesus Christ . . ." (1 Corinthians 8:6). He makes no mention of the Holy Spirit s a divine person.

Other biblical perspectives

Jesus likewise never spoke of the Holy Spirit as a divine third person. Instead, in numerous passages He spoke only of the relationship between God the Father and Himself (Matthew 26:39; Mark 13:32; 15:34; John 5:18, 22; etc.). The Holy Spirit as a person is conspicuously absent from Christ's teaching in general. Of particular interest in this regard are His many statements about Himself and the Father, especially when He never makes similar statements about Himself and the Holy Spirit.

We should also consider that, in visions of God's throne recorded in the Bible, although the Father and Christ are seen, the Holy Spirit is never seen (Acts 7:55-56; Daniel 7:9-14; Revelation 4-5; 7:10). Jesus is repeatedly mentioned as being at the right hand of God, but no one is mentioned as being at the Father's left hand. Nowhere are three divine persons pictured together in the Scriptures.

Even in the final book of the Bible (and the last to be written), the Holy Spirit as a divine person is absent from its pages. The book describes "a new heaven and new earth" (Revelation 21:1) wherein "the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them" (verse 3). Christ, the Lamb of God, is also present (verse 22). The Holy Spirit, however, is again absent—another inexplicable oversight if this Spirit is the third person of a triune God.

Clearly, the Holy Spirit, from the evidence found in the Bible, is not a person in a supposed Trinity. Regrettably, the unbiblical doctrine of the Trinity obscures the scriptural teaching that God is a family—a family which, as we will see, is our ultimate destiny!