Cristians, answer me this......?

Question

Christianity doesn't believe in predestination yet.........................................................................................







Jesus told his disciples that 1 of them would betray him before they had done it.
Jesus told his disciple that he would deny being associated to him 3 times.

Before you say I'm a Muslim or something I'm not. I'm an ex Christian that became disillusioned by it all

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Im' sorry for not being clear.
I'm an ex Catholic and I accept that some forms of Christianity do believe predestination but I'm realy talking about Catholisism's doctrines.



I also am not talking if your sure to go to heven or hell but that (for example) x will kill y. Does this not suggest that ultimatly there is no free will?

Answer 1

The Bible is full of contradictions.

I'm not going to give you a star just because you beg for it.

Answer 2

A person being able to tell you a thing is going to happen does not mean that the person pre-destined the thing.

Parents can tell their kid what the kid is going to do before the kid does it. Why? Because the parents predestined it? No, because parents know their kid. Parents have wisdom and experience above and beyond that of their kid. If it really is not all that difficult for humans to do, how much less difficult is it for the almighty to do!

God knew that a close associate would betray his son, Jesus. How? Because Satan used that method before in the case of a close associate to King David. Satan used that method in the case of the very close associate to Adam - his wife. (Recall Satan went to Eve first). This is the method Satan continues to use because it works. He used it in the case of Judas. And God had it recorded beforehand as prophecy. Jesus was certainly well-aware of the written prophecies concerning himself.

Jesus prophecied a very detailed description of the last days too. That does not mean that he predestined these things to occur.

So having the ability to see a future outcome and then prophesy about it does not mean that the outcome is predestined. Prophecy and predestination are not coterminus.

The Bible does speak of predestination, yes, but not in the way most people think. For instance, some people think salvation is predestined for certain people. If that were so, then the Bible's constant exhortation to make our salvation sure, to work hard for our salvation, and so on, would be rather pointless, wouldn't it? Indeed, it would be cruel to encourage someone to do a thing you knew he was destined to fail.

Hannah J Paul

Answer 3

I don't know what makes you think that Christians don't believe in predestination. This doctrine is referred to in the Bible and concerns God's plan or purpose of salvation.

Jesus's predictions regarding Judas's betrayal etc are a different matter. In order to appear to the people as a true Messiah, Jesus was quite cleverly orchestrating events to make His life mirror those of the Old Testament prophets. He had to be seen to be executed (whether or not He died on the cross is still a matter of some debate), therefore someone had to betray him. Judas was chosen and, in fact, he considered it a great honour.
In his so-called 'predictions', Jesus was merely announcing forthcoming events He had already arranged.

Answer 4

There is a difference between knowing something and making that same thing happen. For example, I know the Colts won this year's Superbowl. I had zero to do with the victory.

Jesus knew that Peter would freely choose to deny Jesus. There are hundreds of prophecies in the Bible. Just as you can look back and see which choices people have made in the Past God can look forward and see those choices in the Future.

Answer 5

Though I am not one, I think that Christians would argue that Jesus was making diving prophecies verses any relation to predestination. Also there are some Christians that believe in predestination. The Calvanists for example believe in predestination.

Answer 6

Who tell you that we Christian don't believe in predestination?

God has ‘chosen’ us – eklegomai. This means to make a choice, to pick out for one’s own self, to choose out of many and to set apart for His own purposes. God did this before He made the world, before mankind ever existed.

If He chose some to be saved, then He also chose some (many according to scripture) not to be saved, those who doesn't believe in Him or deny Him 3 times as His disciple did...

Answer 7

The Calvinistic doctrine of predestination is two-fold in its scope. In the first place, it refers to God's control over all things. In the words of the Westminster Confession of Faith, God "freely and unchangeably ordained whatsoever comes to pass."[1] The second use of the word "predestination" applies this to the salvation, and refers to the belief that God appointed the eternal destiny of some to salvation by grace, while leaving the remainder to receive eternal damnation for all their sins, even their original sin. The former is called "unconditional election", and the latter "reprobation". In Calvinism, men must be predestined and effectually called (regenerated/born again) unto faith by God before they will even wish to believe or wish to be justified.

Answer 8

I was disillusioned with Christians long before I was saved. I still am. About myself, too. I guess I need God...Who is it that told you that 'Christianity' doesn't believe in predestination? I'm not sure what I I believe, but as long as God is in control, I don't need to know everything.

Answer 9

Quite easy. The 30 pieces of silver were prophesied to be the betrayal price in Zechariah 11:12 nearly almost 600 years prior to this happening and the second incident Jesus could see into Peters heart and predict he would fail. It is quite interesting that the Messiahs life fulfilled hundreds of prophecies about himself in his birth life and death. Proving he was gods son and the Jewish Messiah, fulfilling nearly 4000 years of prophecy. I find this part most amazing about being a student of the bible

Answer 10

I don't know what " Christianity " believes in but the Bible is clear about an election. Though there are very many references here are just three :

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


It must be so for unless God elected a number to be saved then all of us would be lost, for salvation is entirely of Him, and He it is that brings us to life and gives us the gifts of repentance and faith.

I would urge you to seek Him for these yourself, and not to be put off by what others may think or do.

Answer 11

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