Abortion Argument.?

Question

What are some arguments for or against abortion, other than it's murder or a choice. Let's put aside the god aspect and I want to hear some other reasons for it. For instance, although the genticist Jerome Lejeune, who discoverd both downs and cri du chats syndrome, was catholic, I once read a remark he made against abortion on the basis that every fetus is a genetic anomoally unto its own. Antother words, the combo in gestation will never be made again or produced again. It is unique. I think this is a compelling argument outside of using god, to support the anti-abortion point of view. I believe if you anti-abortion people were making claims like this, people would be more compeled to view in your favor rather than, "It's wrong because god says so."
Anyways, what are your opinions. Everybody on both sides are free to answer. I want unique arguments for both sides.

Riki not a good argument, could have easily been the next hitler. But, good, I like it. Nice try.

matazma, I like the double homicide argument. However, there are holes in that as well. I think seeing it that way is due to the fact that if the woman wanted the baby we feel as a society we are getting vengence on the murderer by also including the grief over the expected baby by making it a double murder. Oh and adoption may not always be a better option. No offense, aren't a lot of people out there saying, Hey, you know what I want, a nice black crack baby. But it's good. I like the law using. nice nice.

Nice Tania. Life from death. Good argument.

dze good answer. Best so far. Good point. I like that argument.

therese... I agree, that the fetus can feel pain. So do animals in a slaughter house. Do you eat meat. Maybe you shouldn't. But good argument. I actually agre with you.

Perhaps...that is a good argument, that we care about the choice of the mother and not the child because yet they can not voice their choice. Again, the argument that we would have more painters, philospohers, blah blah, don't agree with that. Most women have abortion out of desperation or bad circumstances, and while some children can overcome, the situation into which they are born can be bad. They can just as easily become a serial killer as the next Michalgelo. So maybe the problem is more societal.

whitehorse, I did like your argument about when life begins. I agree, because you are correct, when a baby comes out of the womb and I were to suffocate it to death I have commited murder, whereas a few minuets before, would it be murder. A few weeks, a few months. When is the cut off line. What exact nano-second in the process does it cross over. Nice.

clowns, I agree, as already stated, yes, when does it switch over to becoming a life.

Josh G, I agree, so then I believe the argument becomes based on what we can do a society to prevent further situations like this. Drugs, teenage pregnancy, and poverty.

AB, good for you for countering my argument. I agree, it is not the best argument, I was using as an example of an argument outside of a relgious context, and I in no way claim that it was good or bad. I agree that one of the reason we should have abortion is for the very reasons you assert and I like that you brought science in for nero-pathways. However, I was an unwanted baby and abused and born into poverty and now am successful and help others. Just because there is a chance of trauma, it does not garuntee trauma and are we going to condem everybody based on the chance of trauma.

Deek L, this is a good argument. To be a human you have to be AB and C. However, I find you second paragraph a little hitlerish and me personally being a special education teacher do not like the view that handicapped human beings should be aborted. Should we aborted Issac Pearlman? In fact Jerome Lejeane argument was for the advocation of handicapped children.

Answer 1

if you have the child, then you may have killed more than one child.

think of it like this, a woman is pregnant. she has two choices, to keep it or to have an abortion.

if she keeps the child, she will be a single mother without an education and without a very well paying job. this will affect her future in the way that she decides to only have that one child.

if she has an abortion, she will go on to college, get married, and have 4 kids with her husband.

so if she kept the kid, she just killed the chance of 4 other children from being born

Answer 2

I think the 'uniqueness' argument might more helpfully be used to encourage people to be fully themselves. A huge proportion of pregnancies end in miscarriage and those too are unique genetic forms; and every time a couple fails to have sex or uses any form of contraception, it is preventing a particular genetic anomally from coming into existence. So on this argument, we must all be at it like rabbits all the time, and pregnant women should spend their lives coddled in medical establishments designed to prevent miscarriage. No, no, this is totally absurd, so let's abandon that argument against abortion.

The arguments for allowing the choice of a termination are many. The one that I feel most strongly about is that a child who suffers the trauma of being unwanted before or immediately after birth, or later in life, is a child who is likely to suffer psychologically a great deal and be unable to become most fully him- or her-self. There is good evidence that pre-birth experience has an impact, and it is only too obvious that the first weeks of life have a massive impact. No matter how carefully and thoughtfully the pregnancy, birth, relinquishing and adoption of an unwanted child are managed, there is a serious risk of psychological injury. This is all before we even begin to talk about the value of the potential mother's life, her psychological experience etc. It is beyond me why anti-abortionists feel it is right to inflict such massive psychological suffering when a cluster of cells can be prevented from developing into the baby who would suffer.

Answer 3

I think clarity is needed. And it starts by asking the question, is this issue really focused on "choice" at all? For instance, if we were all to agree that abortion is taking a human life (aka murder), almost everyone would agree: No woman should have that right. They certainly don't when the child is one day old, and no one is fighting for that right. (In fact even the argument you used - a baby being unwanted or being born into a bad situation - would not justify this). On the other hand, if we would all agree that abortion is not murder, then who would be opposed to the woman's right to choose? Who is opposed to a woman's right to have plastic surgery or remove a cyst, etc? Therefore, the real issue I believe is when does life begin? I as a Christian can look to no other place than to the Word of God for that answer. After all, who else has the answer to that question than the Creator of life? God Bless.

Answer 4

The most common I I hear for abortion is the "parasite argument," but you asked for unique so let me dig deeper.

One is the fact that an embryo and to a certain extent a fetus do not have the attributes that make one a moral human being. A moral human being possesses these characteristics: Sentience, Emotionality, Reason, The capacity to communicate, Self-awareness and Moral agency. [1] If a being does not meet any of these criteria it is exempt from any moral consideration.

Abortion also could be used as population control and as a form of eugenics. If it was possible to detect that a fetus would be born with a handicap, mental or physical, some would argue it is our moral responsibility to abort that fetus in order to produce the most efficient and functional society as well as saving the potential human from a life of suffering.

Answer 5

The reason it is wrong is because the person, inside his mothers womb is a living creation. The reason for abortion or womens rights, was created on the falsehood that a woman has a right over her body, but the reality is that no one defends the right of the creation, the new being, the baby inside his/her mother's womb.
I strongly believe that if so many babies would not have been aborted when they were, and it is not something new by the way, egyptologists have found it dating back to the times of the great kings and pharaohs, we would have the cure to many diseases, greater philosophers, and above all a more complete love for life.
But this has been taken away and never to be known since people have given that option up to the mother, of the unborn child.
It is murder, it is death, and there is no other way to describe it. I had witnessed one in person and I could never get it out of my mind. Ever.
God bless and know that God is with us always, even in these most desperate of our days.

Answer 6

If it's not a baby, you're not pregnant.
even dr. seuss knew it. we all heard his stories as children. do you remember the story "horton heres a who"? Well in it, horton said
"a person's a person, no matter how small".
this applies to abortion. they are still people, even though they aren't fully developed.

did you know that abortion was orriginally made legal to wipe out the african race. Margaret Sanger was a very strong leader in making abortion legal. 75% of abortions are made by blacks. Margaret Sanger was a racist pig. (by the way, what i just said was NOT meant to pick at blacks. I'm just pointing out the little fact that their plan is somewhat working) Democrats are proabortion. Republicans are prolife. hmmmmm. I wonder if the Democrats are trying to wipe out a certain race? I'm getting off track. anyway, abortion is wrong. think about what you're saying before you say you're proabortion or prochoice. The woman does NOT have the right to have an abortion (or at least she shouldn't!!!). The baby is not a part of her. it is just there temprarily. you can have an abortion as long as the baby is within the mother. The baby's head can be coming out and the doctor is allowed to shove a knife in it's head and kill it as long as the head is not completely out (this is very rare, but it is allowed). so my question is, does the baby have to be completely born before it is considered human? stupid proabortion and prochoicers.

Answer 7

This issue is between a woman and her doctor.

Abortion existed at the time the bible was written, and there is no mention of it pro or con within its pages. Rabbinic thought view abortion is wrong, but women who had one had suffered enough.

Some Christians have ignored the biblical position and proceeded on a political not spiritual agenda. The Catholic Church has a Vatican view that abortion is wrong. Right wing Christian group also states that it is wrong. This movement want to change the current US Laws.

No where else has there been so much misuse of biblical quotes. No one is saying that we believe as a group that abortion is wrong, but instead they take out of context biblical verses to justify their position.

Answer: This is between a woman and her doctor.

Answer 8

In an overpopulated world, is anything more sad than a child of a parent that has no clue, no skills, no help, and no recourse. I'm talking about a mom whose life is nowhere near on the right track. How can she raise a child to compete in this world?
At twenty, you begin to realize what a dumb teenager you were.

At twenty-five, the quarter of a century mark kicks in, and you realize how foolish you have been.

At thirty, nobody can call you a kid anymore, and it hits hard.

Why mandate that a person who didn't have the brains, knowledge, upbringing, whatever to:
A) Not have sex

B)Not use proper contraception

C)Not have been planning, nutrition or lifestyle-wise, to conceive for at least a year

Why would you want this person to have and raise a child? Take the least qualified person and force them to raise the next generation? I find a flaw with this.

Answer 9

in my opinion, i do not think that abortion is the best way to go. i think this because if you do not want your child then you could always just walk up to a nurse and say this child is unwanted and they could find a home for it. people that are unable to have kids would do anything to have a child of their own and why would you kill something that you could give a life. another reason is because it would make me feel like a murderer. the only thing that would make me have an abortion is if it was a case where either the baby died or both of us did. thanx and good luck!

Answer 10

hypothetical. OK here is mine. here we have an eagle egg it is about to hatch in a couple of days. heck it might hatch today. I step on it. how many people would be mad. better yet why would some one be mad. the reason I just killed it. what it wasn't out of the egg so it wasn't an eagle, or was it. the truth is just because it is surrounded by a the egg or womb does not change its genetically make up. lets say a woman has to have a c section done. so before they cut her open its not a life but then wow life is created when its pulled out. that's just a weird idea to me. God has nothing to do with it. it is murder to end life. even atheists believe that. so life is life, ending it in such away degrades all of us humans as a whole

Answer 11

1. Did god ever float off its cloud and come down and say "abortion is a sin"?
2. If we all have to many kids we will be come over populated and live in poverty.
3. No one is forcing any one who is against abortion to get a abortion, so why are they trying to stop us
4. At what point do you know that you are alive? do u remeber the womb, Answer is no u don't so the baby doesnt even know