Does the old testament laws still aply?

Question

Jesus uphold the bizarre laws of the Old Testament as he say "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matt. 5:17) and "….it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." (Luke 16:17).

here it says yes..... so according to this every one who works sunday should die, every disobediant child should die, every non virgin woman befor wed should die, if your circumsized then you should die, if a man has long hair then he should die, if the man is homosexual then he should die.

but christians i talk to say this was all put down when jesus came. But according to the passges i posted it says not. so explaing please.

according to answers so far.... they dont apply. so now your saying god was wrong because if one ever takes something back like the laws, then he must be wrong. and if god is wrong then he is not perfect, then the whole christian belief system falls apart.

Answer 1

1Ti 1:8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
1Ti 1:9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,
1Ti 1:10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
(ESV Translation)

1:8 Paul makes it abundantly clear that there is nothing the matter with the law. “Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good” (Rom_7:12). But the law must be used lawfully. It was never given as a means of salvation (Act_13:39; Rom_3:20; Gal_2:16, Gal_2:21; Gal_3:11). The lawful use of the law is to so employ it in preaching and teaching as to produce conviction of sin. It should not be presented as a means of salvation or as a rule of life.

The three lessons which the law teaches are: “We ought. We haven't. We can't.” When the law has done its work in the life of a sinner, then that person is ready to cry out to God, “Lord, save me by Your grace!” Those who teach that the law is essential for salvation or sanctification are not consistent. They say that if a Christian breaks the law, then he need not be put to death. This is not establishing the authority of the law. Law without penalty is nothing but good advice.

1:9 The law is not made for a righteous person. If a man is righteous, he does not need a law. That is true of the Christian. When he is saved by the grace of God, he does not need to be placed under the Ten Commandments in order for him to live a holy life. It is not fear of punishment that makes a Christian live in a godly manner, but rather love for the Savior who died at Calvary.

The apostle goes on to describe the type of people for whom the law was given. Many Bible scholars have pointed out that there is a close connection between this description and the Ten Commandments themselves. The Ten Commandments are divided into two sections: the first four have to do with man's duty toward God (godliness), whereas the remaining six have to do with his duty toward his neighbor (righteousness).

The following words seem to correspond to the first section of the Ten Commandments: For the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane. ... The expression for man slayers is linked with the sixth commandment: You shall not murder. Here manslayers refers to murderers, and not just to a person who kills another accidentally.

1:10 The words for fornicators, for sodomites describe immoral heterosexuals and homosexuals. Here they are linked to the seventh commandment: “You shall not commit adultery.” The phrase for kidnappers is obviously related to the eighth commandment: “You shall not steal.” For liars, for perjurers (or false swearers) connects with the ninth commandment: “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.”

The final words and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine are not directly related to the tenth commandment, but rather seem to sweep back over all the commandments and summarize them.

Answer 2

You seem to have a very uneducated view of the Tanach (what you call the old Testament), the laws and how it works. For Jews it IS the ONA AND ONLY LAW. The "New Testament' is meaningless to us. We do not follow it, we do not believe it, and Jesus is a meaningless person to us. Why? Its quite simple- go and read Deuteronomy, note that it states that the law given on Sinai is ETERNAL and can NEVER be changed, not even a single letter may be changed. It states, also, that if someone comes and does signs and wonders (i.e. miracles) and wants to change evn one letter- they must be ignored as it is merely a test to see whether we will remain true to God.

As a side note- the death penalty talked about in the Torah is most frequently used as an allusion to a death penalty from God or to show how serious a particular sin is. The reality is that the death penalty was almost NEVER utilised even in the times when the Geat Sanhedrin sat in the temple courtyard and was available to hear capital crimes daily. In fact, the Talmud notes that a Sanhedrin (court- for a capital case there must be at least 23 judges- the Geat Sanhedrin had 70) that found one person guilty of a capital offense in 7 years was considered bloodthirsty and no longer allowed to hear capital cases. (There is another opinion in that mishnah that says the period was 70 years) Why? Because the requirements to find someone guilty are so onerous as to make it impossible. Here they are:
1) Before the crime is committed the person must be warned by two *KOSHER witnesses that the act he is about to do is a capital offense .
2) The person must VERBALLY acknowledge that he has heard the warning and still intends to do the act.
3) The two witnesses must watch him as he does the act.
4) The witnesses are interrogated by the court- separately and with no opportunity to confer- they cannot be present when the other witness is giving testimony.
5) ANY contradiction, no matter how minor, is grounds to dismiss their testimony and find the accussed not guilty.
Tell me, how people are going to commit a capital offense, in front of witnesses, after they have been warned, and then till acknowledge the warning and state they are going ahead? Basically, it is virtually impossible to find someone guilty of a capital offense.

* a kosher witness is one that has an impeccable reputation and whose words can be relied on and trusted. Any stain on his character is enough to diaqualify him as a witness in a capital case no matter how small.

Answer 3

I think that there is a basic confusion when it comes to the word, 'fulfill'. Yes all the commandments of the Law still apply, yet there is not one person on Earth who can claim that they do apply all 613 commandments. Why? The temple is not even around. There can't be a Levitical priest taking the sacrifices in the way it was supposed to be enacted. They are not set up to do that.

So as Paul wrote:
Galatians 3:9 So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." 11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[

So there is yet another choice. To pursue a righteousness through the works of the Law, or by the trust in God through faith. It has been historically failed when approached by the Law, except in the singular case of Jesus, who fulfilled the Law, and became that one person we can look to for salvation.

Answer 4

It would seem to me that only one commandment comes into question here and that is of the Sabbath. No one says it's OK to Kill, Steal, etc., so if we are not still bound by the old law then why were the others 9 kept. It is because man changed the law NOT God. Satan has corrupted the Church from the inside.

Answer 5

The law it's over, because it's the old pact that God made with his people. After Jesus's death, we'e under the new pact. Check on Acts 15:20, in says to abstain from pollutions of idols, fornication, strangled things, and blood. And, of course, we still are under the ten commandments. Even the tithing it's over. The tithing was instituted by God, so Aaron can spend all his time taking care of the tabernacle. So God told Moses to collect the tithing to feed Aaron and his family. Nowadays, many Christians churches still "force" the tithing on their members, when they shouldn't. Take a look at Billy Graham's biography so you can see who he was before and after his ministry. First, the son of a poor farmer, now a multimillionaire.

Answer 6

You have taken a few verses out of context and posed a confrontational question based on them.

The Old and New Testaments work together to help Christians who walk with God get to know Him and what He would like us to do during our time on earth. I'm sure your father and mother had expectations for you as a child. Did you meet every one of them? Do they love you anyway? Did they forgive you when you disappointed them?

That's how Father God is. He has expectations and a purpose for each of us. He has gifted each of us with gifts to accomplish those purposes. And each of do things our own way, disappointing our Father. But we come home, as forgiveness and do our best to repent and not repeat the error.

Will all of those "terrible" things you misquoted come to pass? No. Think about it logically. If you are correct: humankind would have ceased to exist centuries ago. Every child has been disobedient . . . .



Blessings to you.

Answer 7

You answered your own question when you quoted Jesus statement. The Old Testament law was intended as a shadow or prophecy to point to Jesus. His life, words, miracles, death and resurrection accomplished each of the things God prophesied in those laws. Not a single one of them failed to be fulfilled but Jesus. He did not destroy the law, but rather fulfilled it. He was the Passover, the Sabbath rest, the sin offering, the child who honored his parent, the groom with a perfect virgin bride, etc. (There is no "death penalty" for being "circumsized" or having long hair. Not in Old Testament). Read the book of Hebrews sometime. It explains it all in details.

The purpose in fulfilling those things was so that he could bring new birth to the rest of mankind by faith. He did exactly what he said - he fulfilled the law. Since the law is fulfilled, we no longer face the penalty for it. Kind of like when a person has paid a parking ticket, they do not have to keep going back and repaying it every week.

In our case, someone else even paid the ticket for us. Jesus took every one of those "death penalties" for us at Calvary. That was why he died there.

The Old Testament Laws served two purposes: they showed people what was sin and its consequence (death) and it shows them how the Messiah would redeem them from it. Once that was accomplished, neither was needed any more.

Too few people seem to realize that in the timeline of the Bible, the OT laws do not appear until almost 2/3 of the way through the OT history. That thousands of Bible years (and many stories) happened before there was a law. All the people before that time were saved, not by following the law, but by faith. The law was there for about 1500 years, was fulfilled by Christ, and then things returned to men being saved - not by the law - but by faith. (And even when the law there, people was still saved by faith. The Law was just a guide to help them walk out that faith and to cover their sins.)

The OT laws are still recorded in the Bible, because they are important to us understanding the plan of God for salvation. They are one of many major steps God took to get from the beginning of sin at the garden to the send of sin at Calvary. And they are guideline to help us understand what things are morally right and wrong. But they are not God's ultimate purpose, they are not his method of salvation, nor are they what builds a proper relationship between Him and His people. Those come through faith in Jesus Christ.

So there is no contradiction between Old Testament laws and New Testament grace. They are merely each one step towards God's true salvation, faith in Christ.

Answer 8

Jesus work for God on the sabbeth he healed people and done other things and he also so said if your cart fell into a ditch or you going to leave it there or get it out the next day so he knows that people have to work on the sabbeth.Which the sabbeth is Saturday not Sunday, Sunday is the first day of the week

Answer 9

testament laws aply

Answer 10

Yours is not a question to be answered on a message board.
You need to see a Priest or ordained Minister and have him or her explain in detail what Jesus meant by fulfilling the law.
Basically what He meant was he was fufilling Daniel's prophecy about the coming Messiah. Jesus is the one true Son of God, He died and rose again to wipe away our sins. All we have to do is believe in Him, and ask His forgiveness.