Intelligent Design supporters, an honest question?

Question

No worries, I won't throw science in your faces, really.

I read a blog of a dear friend of mine, which made me wonder if you would even concider his point of view, I'll try to be as short as possible:

Huge parts of the world have no population. Think of Antarctica, huge parts of Greenland, parts of several deserts. We inhabit parts of the planet that suit our demands, and then call it "designed" specially for us.

If you fill a glass of water, was the glass specially designed for the amount of water you put in the glass? Or did you actually measure the water into the glass, until it was filled?

Couldn't that be also what happened to us humans? That we measured ourselves into the environment?

Answer 1

There is merit to this argument. We of the ID persuasion have always tried to illustrate the difference between "adaptation" and "evolution". God has so fashioned His creation to adapt to environments and extensive ways of survival. There are thousands of examples where I would ask how evolution could be that "smart".
In the case of where man inhabits, remember that it is intelligence that determines where mankind dwells--to go where there is 1) fresh water and 2) food sources. To try and live anywhere else requires adaption, such as 1.) digging a well and 2) creating a food source where there was none to be found.
There are many examples of this as well. The Israelis have an incredible knack for growing vegetables in the desert and fruit in what was once swamp land. With demand on the Jordan being so high, they have also figured out a way to desalinate the Mediterranean. This is all due to intelligent design within the realm of adaptation.

Answer 2

The glass for drinking water was designed and measured by man with consideration to an average man's consumption of water enough for him to quench his thirst. And also a consideration to a better hand grip on a glass while consuming the water.
The world or earth was found (and may not be totally or even devinely designed) by the source of life as a good place for all the needs of a living tissue to survive and exist to live. Other planets may not have enough to sustain all kinds of life similar to what exist on earth as we know it. Yet other form of lives may possibly be existing as we are now according to what other planets can offer.
We may have developed our own forms and shape according to what on earth are the available resources for all living beings that will live and survive accordingly and not in the same way as how the drinkng glass was made. The earth was most likely divinely or intelligently found by the divine not necessarily created and yet the the existence of what can be observed within and outside the earth can be what we call the dynamic becoming of the Divine..

Answer 3

Well Eve told Adam, Snakes I’ve had ‘em
Let’s get out of here, go raise this family some place out of town.

They left the Garden just in time with the land lord cussing right behind,
They headed east and finally settled down.

One thing led to another, a bunch of sons, one killed his brother,
They kicked him out with nothing but his clothes.

The human race survives because those brothers all found wives,
But where they came from ain’t nobody knows.

Then came the flood, go figure, Just like New Orleans only bigger.
No one who couldn’t swim would make it through.

Well the lucky ones were in a boat. Think circus, then make it float
And hope nobody pulls the plug on you.

How they fed that crowd's a mystery, It ain’t down in the history
But it’s a cinch they didn’t live on cakes and jam.

Lions don’t eat cabbage, and despite that old adage,
You will never see one lie down with a lamb.

Well Charlie Darwin looked so far into the way things are
He caught a glimpse of God’s unfolding plan.

God said I’ll make some DNA, they can use it anyway they want
From paramecium right up to man.

They’ll have sex and mix up sections of their code, they’ll have mutations.
The whole thing works like clockwork over time.

I’ll just sit back in the shade while everyone gets laid.
That’s what I call Intelligent Design!

Yeah, you and your cat named Felix, you both wrapped up in that double helix.
It’s what we call intelligent design.

Answer 4

Interesting logic, but keep in mind the glass was specifically designed to hold water so someone could drink. How much water that is in the glass is irrelevant to the purpose of the glass. Same with the earth, the earth was specifically designed to hold life, how much life it held varies over time, things die and are born everyday. That does not take away the credibility that it was still designed. God bless.

Answer 5

I have heard this argument before. Essentially, that us being in this world and thinking it was created is like a protozoa waking up in a mud puddle and saying wow, look at this hole which was perfectly filled with water. I have all the little bacteria to eat that I could ever need. Thanks God.

I say it would be more like an angelfish in a fish tank. Looking around and seeing the little plastic scuba diver rising and falling and the purifier with a mini waterfall cascading out of its mouth. A thermometer resting on the wall of the tank making sure it never gets too hot or too cold, and a pH indicator strip always monitoring to make sure the acid or base content doesn't vary too much. He might have more cause to think he didn't just conform to that environment. Sure he might move to other side of the tank because one side has warmer water, but on the whole, the place was made just for him.

Answer 6

This is just a re-telling of the story about the puddle in the hole in the road, and how the puddle decided the hole had been designed for it because it, the puddle, fitted so well in the hole.
Or have I completely missed the point?
Should I quickly run off and convert to Christianity, have the necessary lobotomy, and work on my eyes so I can only see in black and white and then come back, read your question again, become hypocritically oversensitive about it and then answer it with Goddidit and a whiny tract about my martyrdom at the hands of mean atheists?

Answer 7

Thank you for your candescending tone refering to science as if your being kind, but let me show you something...

I proposed that if one were to make the assumption that ID were correct than certain things, or all of the things in the universe would work mechanically, meaning that ice ages would occur around the same time, orbits of comets asteroids and planets would follow a predictable pattern and so on. Using these ideas one could make a prediction about a event presumed to be mechanical such as an ice age, and make a predition as to when the next one is to occur.

So we have the following:

1.Observation, "The universe is too advanced to come out of nothing.

2. Description, "Entire ID theory"

3. predictions or test, "make predictions about presumptuously mechanical events and view the statistics of past events (eg every winter in Nebraska it will snow at least once)

4.Falsifiable, "There are other theories that make less assumption (Occam's' razor argument takes hold.)

5. Identification of causes. God or creator causes Universe

6. Coveration of events, Effects of the mechanical and predictable events are a result of a God or creator

7. Time order relationship, God or creator existed first in order to create the universe. A universe that can be observably mechanical, and therfore fall in lines with a mind behind the madness if you will.

Id is therfore a scientific theory as it has ALL of the components.

Answer 8

Yep... that sure could be what happened. Do you then also give the ID people the possibility that we COULD have been designed by a greater intelligence?

Personally, I don't know how we got here, but I find it funny how the two sides go back and forth with such certainty in their own position - ironically each calling the other "close minded."

Sorry for the rant at the end there.

Answer 9

I guess I miss your point, is there proof of thought in there.

We are populating the Earth as God told us to go and do. If we congregate around a fertile area and of commerce or in packs then some areas have people and some areas do not. Your thought does not convince your prospective. Ants even stay where the food source is and not go to other areas of a house away form the colony. God's nature explaining your thought I think.

Answer 10

The usual collection of half baked answers- when someone explains why an intelligent designer created the 99% of species that have gone extinct on this planet I might consider it viable. Creating tens of millions of species that died out before mankind ever existed doesn't add up.