Where do I stand my daughter was kicked out of Brownies.?

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Where do I stand?My daughter was kicked out of Girl Scouts 2daysafter her 7 Birthday.After school she walked from class to the caffateria to attend Brownies when she was told by her leader she was not allowed. She was no longer alloud to be a Girl Scout Ever!I called the council when I got home from picking up my daughter.They new nothing about it.After weeks of waiting they had a sit down with everyone. The Council decided since this was the first complaint they had against this leader that what they call a solution is to have one of their staff at every meeting till the end of the school year.My thing is my child goes to a very small school 98%whitewith wich my child fall in the other 2%.I try to teach her that she is just like everyone else.Iput her in Brownies because they build courge confidence and character and what this leader pulled did the total oposit. I had a vey good experience in Brownies I would like the same for my child. How can she get away with hurting my 7y child ??

My daughter was not able to attend 1 cookie sale. She paid her $65.00 to join also sold $500.00 worth of girl scout cookies door to door.This leader does not like me so she is taking it out on my child.

My child has 28 kids in her class 14 wich are girls in Brownies. All my daughters friends saw this happen so she has crawled back into not wanting to play with anyone. My Daughter is a very shy and quite little girl. This is why I had here join.She has never been in trouble at school or at Brownies. There are no other troops in this small town.

WELL THE GIRL SCOUT COUNCIL BROKE THEIR PROMISE AGAIN!!!! We all signed a contract called a Memorandum of Understanding stating they would attend every meeting until the end of the school year they never showed up today. My Daughter was left with someone I feel is a threat to her for an hour an 30 min. I called them as soon as I picked her up they said they were sorry it slipped their mind. Where do I go? WHO do I talk to?

WELL THE GIRL SCOUT COUNCIL BROKE THEIR PROMISE AGAIN!!!! We all signed a contract called a Memorandum of Understanding stating they would attend every meeting until the end of the school year they never showed up today. My Daughter was left with someone I feel is a threat to her for an hour an 30 min. I called them as soon as I picked her up they said they were sorry it slipped their mind. Where do I go? WHO do I talk to?

Answer 1

thats a long question but you didn't explain why she got kicked out. add some info.

Answer 2

I would contact the council again going to the highest level of management that you can find. Let them know what has happened, how it has affected your child, and demand that they reprimand the leader. Also, you should have them enroll your child back in the group, and volunteer your time to be at every meeting and outing. This will teach your child just as much about character and self confidence as Girl Scouts can. Its possible that there are more complaints coming about this leader and maybe now that you are making the council aware of the issue more parents will speak out about their issues. Keep involved with your daughter so that you will know every incident that occurs whether with your child or another and stay on top of the complaint department. Good Luck, I did brownies and girl scouts when I was young and my daughter attended as well. Its a great things for young girls and your daughter is no exception.

Answer 3

1. In the Boy Scouts, and I believe the Girl Scouts as well, the unit leader cannot kick a child out of the Scouts- just out of the unit.

2. Leaders and teachers, etc. taking out personal grudges against a child because they dislike the adult are pretty common, unfortunately. In my experience, however, I have to honestly say that it is the parent's fault about 50% of the time.

If the problem here is YOU, then you are the solution as well. Fix the problem you and the leader have- even if it means humbling yourself a little- it is for your daughter's sake!

3. In the BSA, a complaint like this is often allowed to 'float and die'- there is no way they will take a direct action against a leader if they are having problems getting leaders to begin with. The Girls Scouts have an even bigger problem getting volunteers nationally than the BSA does- so unless there is a more drastic problem, expect that they will try very hard to not bother the volunteer, AND not antagonize you.

4. I hate to say this, but the BSA offers a very un-even program. This pack is great, this unit sucks. This leader and leadership team are golden, this group is a bunch of bozos. Sadly, the GSUSA has the same problem, and generally tends to be even less consistant than the BSA does in offering good programs. (NOTE: This is based on a lot of info from across the US- it does NOT mean every unit or city is messed up!)

Answer 4

I know it's hard for your daughter to feel like she did something so horrible that she deserves to be ostracized no matter what it was. You know that they're wrong and your daughter should know that too. This person doesn't seem to believe in second chances or something. Pretty harsh!

Maybe the leader took what your daughter did too personal when it wasn't intended as such. Doesn't sound like someone who should be caring for anyone under 16. They're kids not little adults!

Maybe this troup has a policy where you can't be part of that if you don't attend bake sales. Check the contract. Maybe they're only interested in teaching these kids how to make a profit. Theyre a little young for that.

You could choose to fight this or just take your toys and go home. You could win either way, I guess. Challenges like this build courage as you make a decision and make good come from bad. Did she enjoy being a Brownie? What can she take away from her experience that was good?

I don't think it's worth it to get your daughter reinstated. Maybe they're not good enough for her. Just because you had a good experience doesn't mean things will be the same for your daughter.

I totally don't agree with the way the kids are reacting to this conflict by avoiding your girl or making her feel bad just because she's not a Brownie. Can't they forgive her for whatever she did? Does she need to make a formal apology or something? Or can she still be proud of who she is regardless?

Maybe they'll see that she doesn't need them and respect her for that. Maybe someone will say," if she can't be in Brownies, I don't want to be a Brownie either.

I don't believe she would never be able to go back to Girl Scouts. There will be other things to join as she gets older like hobby clubs, sports, church camps and class trips.

Its terrific that she's got you in her corner. You can certainly pass down all that you have learned as a parent. Kids can be hard to please when their in a group. I think its better to just have a couple of playmates or have fun with adults. Better to enjoy being a kid and not grow up to fast. All in good time. Keep the faith!

Answer 5

They should not be able to do this. I was a leader for years and there is no reason from what you have written here that she should of been kicked out. I would go above your councils head. contact girl scouts. ask them to speak to someone in charge above your counsel or talk to another council you don't have to have her in a troop in your town or your areas council if you live close enough to another. also if this was just the leader and not the council them i would want that in writting from the council and let them know you have the right to sue them for discrimenation. which is what this is no matter who you are. I too have pulled my own daughter out for the way the scouts have become. things have changed. I would say also try something else. we do cheerleading, soccer, 4h and pageants now. you have to decide if this is worth the fight. maybe you want to fix it so others dont go through this and then just do something else or maybe you want her to be in scouts either way make sure you are doing these things for her or to help make things better for others who could suffer like this and not out of spite. I personally would make sure that leader was let go.

on a personal note: the girls see more of the cookie money than everyone thinks. there is a chart that every girl sell should know or have that shows the breakdown. They get a percentage to go straight to pay for there activities and bages, then they get a percentage that goes into the council fund to pay for girl scout camps and to pay dues for girls who can not afford them, the rest of the money is to pay for the cookies. that is the about the only good thing I have to say about the girl scouts anymore.

Answer 6

Number # 1 the brownies maybe able to get away with discrimantion but the meetings are held on school property.The policys on discrimiantion are pretty firm.You can have the brownies removed from the school.The brownies work like every other major company out there they have bylaws and policys.There is a protocal on the removal of brownies from their troops and complaints on troop leaders everything must be a in writing and will addressed at the local level.The board made a wise decision on having a staff member monitor your daughters meetings your troop leader is proably on probation.

Answer 7

When you ask how someone can get away with hurting your child, it sounds like you are after revenge. You also don't say why your child was told not to return. From your question, the leader could be in the wrong or could be right. I can't tell. Did you automatically go into the "mother lion protects her cub" mode? The FIRST thing you should do is develop a need to understand why your child was asked not to come back. Was her behavior so disruptive or unacceptable that she was affecting the whole troupe? What are the reasons that she was asked not to return? Are you just assuming this is a race issue and waving that flag rather than looking at what the causes were? If your child's behavior is so unacceptable in a group environment that she is asked not to return, she may be in need of professional help. If you find that the actions of the leader were unjustified, then this is a perfect opportunity to show your child how to act under adversity. Anger gets you no where in life. To calmly set about righting a wrong is a valuable lesson for her. She will be hurt many times in her life, we all are. It's how we are taught to deal with it that contributes to what kind of life we live.

Answer 8

this is heart-breaking for you and your daughter. Perhaps you could get up your own Brownie Troop or Camp Fire Girls or similar. What was the stated reason for telling your daughter she was not allowed? I'm unclear on that. For missing 1 cookie sale? That's so unfair. I think I would persue this further with more calls to the Council. If that does not help go above them on the ladder of administration. Many blessings to you both.

Answer 9

as a former girl scout leader of 9 yrs and boy scout leader of 8 yrs.they cannot do that.only the council can remove the child from scouts.in boy scouts we had a little boy who was the terror of all terrors.he spit on ppl,destroyed everything got his hands on,cussed us and the other children,started fights,got caught stealing and only after a council wide meeting and proof we had tried talking to the parents was he removed from scouts completely.theres a long process to it,talk to the leader as they havent that right and if that dont work,go above there heads.

Answer 10

So did she get kicked out because she was not white? That's a long explanation, but the bottom line is if your daughter did nothing to deserve being removed, you should stand behind your daughter. If the reason for her being removed was racial, you should go all the way to the national sector of girlscouts/brownies and file a complaint with them.

Answer 11

There is no such thing as a "right to be a girl scout." Sounds like GSA has no problem with your daughter. Find another troop.

If you can't find another troop, and having your daughter in Brownies is important, form one. You're an adult, and can do this.