the fossil record?

Question

Dose this not throw a spanner in the works for believers in God. We know through a thing called proof that the Dino's were on earth millions of years before the first human like mammals. We know that homo-sapiens were not the only people on the earth what about the Neanderthals. It is so crystal clear that evolution dose happen that my five year old worked it out himself by looking at horse skeletons in his book.

Answer 1

And yet in all that evolution, somewhere, you failed to pick up proper spelling, punctuation, and grammar. :o)

Answer 2

After reading through the answers given I thought I'd try to give some pointers (things you learn in evolution which other people misuse and don't seem to understand)... here it goes.

1. What scientist base their findings on: Carbon dating, stratification of the rock layers that the fossils are found in, molecular clocks (all though they're still working out the kinks in this one), and DNA analysis to name a few
2. Cambrian explosion: Not all scientists believe that there was an 'explosion' of life. In fact, this is just a time period from which we started to find fossils that were big enough to see... and these generally require skeletons if they're going to have a chance of becoming a fossil. It's just as likely that the reason we have little proof of life on Earth before this time period is because the organisms did not have hard skeletons and in this case did not have any means of leaving behind a fossil. If memory serves me right, there has also been discoveries of fossilised cells that were simply to small to been seen until recent advancements and they certainly date well before the Cambrian. The Cambrian explosion may have just been adaptive radiation due to a change in the Earth's climatic conditions which would open up new niches for organisms to fill; hence they would evolve at a 'rapid' rate. As pointed out, we have uncovered a very small portion of the fossil record and there is surely many more discoveries to come.
3. Dinosaurs were alive and not just weird rock formations. We have nearly perfectly preserved specimens of this, like Mei Long. Just check out the New Scientist Dinosaur Special (not sure what issue) and all the proof you could ever need will be displayed before you... yes, dinosaurs did exist.
4. Evolution is a theory because science is flexible. That's a good thing.
5. Back to stratigraphy, or as put, geographical column’s. The reason we are able to use this technique is because geologists started noticing that different layers of the earth only contained certain fossils (the one's from the time period in which they inhabited). Once this was 'confirmed' scientist could start trying to work out the Earth's history by comparing and a time-scale was deduced. The Burgess Shale is a great example of this. And a little side note would be that the Dinosaurs are not at the bottom of this 'column'. Not even slightly near the bottom. Dinosaurs have been around since about 320 million years ago. Life on Earth appeared around 2.5 billion years ago (oldest fossil cells found).

Now I'm tired from writing this all out but I hope that it was worth it. If you want to disprove me, give it a try, but bible quotes aren't proof of anything. Either fight science with science or don't even try.

And to think I was going to say that evolution shouldn't be used to go against religion because people are allowed to have their own opinions. I was also going to say congrats to any religious people who accept the ideas of evolution and understand that it can fit into what they already believe if they're willing to be flexible. Unfortunately I've become increasingly angry reading replies because most of them are using 'evidence' that isn't the slightest bit plausible. Oh yeah, apparently I'm satanic and the best teachers I've ever had are satanic and so is most of my entire Uni. What utter bollocks. Better go sacrifice that goat now, before the neighbours start complaining. Then I can go read Harry Potter and listen to Marilyn Manson.

Answer 3

We don't know that Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago on earth. The fossil record is far from complete. There is NO evidence of one animal becoming another. There is evolution, but it is micro-evolution. Crocodiles used to be all freshwater, but evolved into salt water crocs. This doesn't mean that they are not crocs.

The fossil records are dated using 2 primary methods. They are dated using the geological column and carbon dating. Carbon dating is not accurate for anything over 5000 years. To use carbon dating to date dinosaur fossils that are supposedly a million years old is ridiculous and completely invalid.

The other method is the geological column, stating that the deeper in the ground a fossil is, the older it is. This is not valid at all. Imagine your bathtub filled with a lot of your child's toys. Now turn on the faucet. The toys will start churning around and eventually fall to the bottom. The heaviest items are going to be on the bottom naturally. This is what we find in the geological column. The dinosaurs are on the bottom. This was caused by the world-wide flood in which Noah saved him and his family when God told him to make an arc.

Answer 4

Yes, and someday your logic abilities will improve so that you will see errors in what you believe today...

I'll propose a theory to you... An advanced race lived on this planet before man, they had no spines, were very fragile, and their dead bodies decomposed spontaneously within a few days.. their art/science was so advanced that they created parks of rock with fantastic animals which seemed very real...

This race used up all the materials that they liked here on Earth and moved away enmass.. leaving behind their stone parks in the form of fossils...

We have no written record of dinosaurs walking the Earth and yet you believe that they did from rocks in the ground...

We have a written record that Jesus walked the Earth and performed miracles, died, and was resurrected.. and yet you cannot believe...

MAN has polluted the genetic records with his tinkering with DNA to create "bigger and better" whatever's.. with unknown consequences...

I hear about "proof" in microbiotics like the flu viruses mutations... but these I believe are part of the "curse" after Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden...

Evolution is so riddled with logic flaws that even Evolutionists cannot agree on portions of it.. other than the basic premis...

And, if it was proven.. it would be a LAW and not a THEORY

Answer 5

But the spanner in the works is too simplistic because the idea of creation is very complex indeed.
Evolution is a scientific understanding of what scientist see now.

Why cannot the whole universe be created in a nanno second, this idea is outside science because science itself was created when the universe was made. - heres my thoughts on subject.

If I created a woman - 6 months pregnant - this second and therefore she did not exist 2 seconds ago. I being her creator have to put a history into the body and they would have the look of how they look today. ie she would have hair that took a month to grow and it would be bleached by the sun but you actually never been in the sun, the baby could have genitic illnesses and even evidence of poor nutition even though the baby has no history and never been feed through mother.
If I created a tree in this second it would have rings for each year of growth but you can see I put these rings in within that second of creation. Later on you can count the rings and assume it is 6000 years old but in reality it is one second old.
This I believe is happening in creation, science is steadily counting the growth rings of something that was made in a short time. Science reads millions of years but this is the created time by the creator. This time I believe is 6000 years or so.
So the whole processes of evolution could be placed in creation in a nano second, but I still have my doubts about evolution.
Want to accept it but I can only see it happening on a very restricted level.

Answer 6

I have no doubt that there are many people on this board that have studied evolution and examined the evidence - but you seem not to have. The argument for and against evidence is much more complex than "look at their bones, they look alike."

As a matter of fact, the fossil record has, if you can admit it to yourself, worked against Darwin's theory over the past 100 years.

For example, why don't you explain the Cambrian explosion to me? The most rational explanation is that there is a creator. Evolution would be a dismissed theory, if scientists could be more open-minded.

Macroevolution did not happen.

Answer 7

NOPE !!

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There are 3 heaven and earth ages, same heaven and earth but different ages.
(II Pet.3:5-7) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS
(Gen.1:1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
To that earth age the world that then was, belongs all fossils and remains. Scientific estimates or guesses; universe or heavens 20 billion years old, earth 4.6 billion years old, moon 200 to 300 million years younger than earth, dinosaur extinction 65 million years ago, Ice Age 2.5 million years ago.
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BEING OVERFLOWED WITH WATER PERISHED
(Gen.1:2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
The first word “was” (hayah) in Hebrew, was not distinguished by the Revisers, that is the verb “to be” from “to become”. The same Hebrew word “hayah” is translated “became” in Gen.2:7.
WITHOUT FORM H8414 tohu (to'-hoo) From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
VOID H922 bohu (bo'-hoo) From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.
(GEN.1:2) AND THE EARTH BECAME DESOLATE AND EMPTY
Earth was not created that way but became desolate and empty due to Satan’s rebellion. A global overflowing of water, but not Noah’s deluge. Darkness was upon the (face) of the deep, in other words the whole earth.
Into this we can read; dinosaur extinction, destruction of Atlantis, breakup of Gondwana Land, and the Ice Age.
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BUT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WHICH ARE NOW
(Gen.1:2) And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
(Gen.1:3) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
About 63 A.D. Peter writes, the heavens and the earth which are now. The heaven and earth age we are in now, today.
BY THE SAME WORD ARE KEPT IN STORE
RESERVED UNTO FIRE
AGAINST THE DAY OF JUDGMENT
AND PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN
PERDITION G684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a) From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.
Some will perish eternally and not see the third heaven and earth age.
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Answer 8

I think dino is mentioned in the Bible. But you know the bible is like a guide to living your life right. I won't say evolution didn't happen, just not like what most creationist purpose. There is many mysteries in this world that's not in the bible. That don't mean it didn't happen. God only laid down the basics in the bible, because many people have to be told how to live, or there lives are in totally chaos. Others see outside the box. Either group is not wrong just different.

Answer 9

Theists often point out that the fossil record is not complete, which of course it is not - we have only been compiling it for 200 years. But it is complete enough to demonstrate evolution very clearly. But evolution does not rely on the fossil record - there is ample and incontrovertible proof from comparative anatomy and above all, DNA analysis.

Answer 10

i don't think this means we shouldn't believe in god. it does throw out the argument that a lot of fundamentalists use when they say that the world began with adam and eve, but the majority of christians have no problem believing in evolution and view it all as the work of god, although i remember a teacher at my school in the seventies explaining dinosaurs as gods mistake, hence their extinction. now this confused us all as god is supposed to be infallible.

Answer 11

Them thar books is evil I tells ya.

Or some comparatively silly argument like that.
I'm afraid I'm not much good at arguing the fundie point of view.
I grew out of such childish nonsense years ago.
About the time I stopped having imaginary friends, and got some real ones to replace them.