How can God be a trinity when Jesus said, "YHWH/Jehovah our God is ONE YHWH"? MARK 12:29?

Question

Jesus calls God, our God. Revelation 3:2,12 Jesus calls the Father, 'my God' 4 times. So Jesus worships the Father and Jesus has a new name.

mr m...The dictionary has several different meanings for the word God/god...and one is a powerful ruler.

So Jesus is a powerful ruler, as Isaiah 9:6 brings out...Mighty God,..that would be Jesus.

YHWH is the Almighty God.

2Cor. 3:17 Now YHWH is the Spirit, and where the spirit of YHWH is there is freedom.

Som the Father is the Holy Spirit with the name YHWH and Jesus is his Son as God cannot lie: Matthew 17:5 ..and, look! a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, listen to him."

Ephesians 2:22 In union with him you, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit.

2Cor.4:14 knowing that he who raised Jesus up will raise us up also together with Jesus and will present us together with you.

So, Jesus was dead 3 days and the Father raised him up from the dead.

1Thess. 4:16 the Lord, Jesus has the voice of an archangel....

The Christian of the middle ages took out YHWH from the Bible, which was there over 7,000 times. Can God sanctify his name if no one knows it?

Jesus said; OUR Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed by YOUR name...

Jesus also asked God to make all his followers one, just as the Father and he are one. So there are millions who are one with them. Are we a trinity too? no.

John 16:28 I came out from the Father and have come into the world. Further I am leaving the world and am going my way to the Father.

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God's glory and of Jesus standing at God's right hand.

Micah 5:2 And you O Bethlehem....from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose ORIGIN is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.

Isaiah 44:24 I YHWH/Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF, laying out the earth. Who was with me?

Everything/one is subjected to God, even the Son in the future, and will continue in subjection to God;

1Cor 15:28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then also the Son himself will also 'subject himself' to the One who subjected all things to him, that GOD may be all things to everyone.

This proves Jesus and God are not co-equal. They are not co-eternal either as only the Father is the King of Eternity and created the Universe Alone, 'by myself' he said.

Then he created the Word/Jesus (as with labor pains) who became a master worker with him. Proverbs 8:22-31.

Micah5:2 shows that Jesus had an 'origin' ..in the days of time indefinite.

So God and Jesus are not co-eternal.

Answer 1

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). It also clearly teaches that the Holy Spirit is God (cf. Acts 5:3–4, 28:25–28; 1 Cor. 2:10–13). Everyone agrees the Father is God. Yet there is only one God (Mark 12:29, 1 Cor. 8:4–6, Jas. 2:19).

Jesus tells his apostles to baptize "in the name [notice, singular, not plural] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). This is a proof-text: three distinct Persons united in the one divine name. In 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul writes, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." We see this same unity of divine Persons in 1 Corinthians 12:4–11, Ephesians 4:4–6, and 1 Peter 1:2–3.

Answer 2

He also said that the Father is greater than he is (John 14:28).
Generally, the Scripture that people use to prove the Trinity is John 1:1.
However, later on pagans were trying to worship Paul and Barnabas as gods. The same Greek word is used there as the one in John 1:1. People say that an indefinite article should not be added because Greek did not have indefinite articles, but if you are going to translate it, you need to put it into your own language (how many other places in the Bible did they include indefinite articles?). In order to have that verse agree with the rest of the Bible, an indefinite article needs to be included.
Actually, the New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 Vol. XIV, p. 299) states: "The formulation of 'one God in three persons' was not solidly established...among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.'
The Bible never admits the Trinity. The idea of a trinity, or triad, of gods started in ancient Babylon. So the Trinity started with pagan worship.

Answer 3

To think that Jesus and God was the same would mean that God and Jesus were both liars and imperfect because several time in the Bible Jesus was called God's SON and God was callled Jesus' FATHER.

Here is a few examples
Matt. 26:39 “Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’” (If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.)

John 8;17,18 “[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.” (So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.)

John 14:28 “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

1 Cor. 11:3 “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. So the truth here stated applies to the relationship between God and Christ in heaven.)

So we can see from these scriptures that Jesus and God are definately not the same.

Oh and don't let us forget Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. So here we have Jesus, God's voice and God's Spirit al three are separate individuals.

Answer 4

The Father was not made, nor created, nor generated by anyone. The Son is not made, nor created, but begotten by the Father alone. The Holy Spirit is not made, nor created, nor generated, but proceeds from the Father and the Son. There is, then, one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three sons; one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits. In this Trinity, there is nothing before or after, nothing greater or less. The entire three Persons are coeternal and coequal with one another. So that in all things, as is has been said above, the Unity is to be worshiped in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity.

Answer 5

the trinity is the most obvious definition in the bible that makes one sure that the bible present nowadays is a human made one.and it could not be the word of god. read the following and see how Jesus and god or father as written are two, not one!
John, chapter 5-30: "I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Hebrews, chapter 10-9: then he added, "Lo, I have come to do thy will." He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.
Ephesians, chapter 1-17: that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Luke, chapter 24-19: And he said to them, "What things?" And they said to him, "Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God ....

Answer 6

God isn't a trinity, and never was. However, Jesus was God, just as the Father is God. but Jesus emptied himself of his Godliness, became fully human, begotten of God, died, rose from the dead as the firstborn son of God -- in other words, he is God again. And there still is no trinity.

God the Father has become the only true God, having never died. Jesus was born in his present Godliness -- a pioneer of our salvation; the firstborn of many brethren.

Answer 7

This debate is endless! People who believe the trinity say that JWs are "programmed" but the unyielding belief in the trinity doctrine fits the description of "programmed" more accurately. There is no direct statement in the bible to indicate a trinity, yet there are several direct statements, including those by Jesus himself, that indicate that Jesus is not God and in subjection to the Father. Of the few "proof" texts that people use to try to prove the trinity, ALL of them can have dual meanings but the trinitarian always reads/explains it in a way so as to "prove" their belief. Example; we always hear the trinitarians quote John 10:30- "I and the Father are one." What did Jesus mean by that? John 17:20- 22 gives a direct explanation- "I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; 21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. 22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one." Clearly, when Jesus says I and the Father are one, he's not talking about a trinity, he's talking about their unity in purpose. He's basically saying, "We're on the same team ; the same "page." Then he asks God to help his disciples and everyone else who follows him to be in unity just as he and God are. Trinitarians, however, choose to interpret the statement "I and the Father are one" to mean that they are the same being, because it supports what they already are "programmed" to believe. The bible CLEARLY does not teach that Jesus is God. A few basic points to consider (and I have heard a few laughable "explanations" for these sound points);
1. God CANNOT die. Jesus died. Therefore, Jesus is NOT God.
2. God knows EVERYTHING. Jesus admits he doesn't know everything, only the Father (Matthew 24:36) Therefore, Jesus is NOT God.
3. God is not subject to anyone. The bible says that Jesus is subject to the Father (1 Corinthians 7:3). Therefore, Jesus is NOT God.
These three things are undeniable, sound evidence that Jesus is NOT God. To try to create a "workaround" is to deny the truth.

Answer 8

The Bible speaks of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. When Jesus comes to earth as a man, He worships the Father, because He has become human. He can't worship Himself. But when Jesus died and rose again, we recognize Him as God's beloved Son, because God the Father said it was so. There is much that we do not understand about God and His Word, the Holy Trinity being one of those things.

Answer 9

Trinity is seeing the three as One so once you talk of yet another ur additionally touching on the two others. Jesus God and the Holy Spirit (additionally see the tale of the tower of Babel) God says "enable us to grant them differnt lagnuages to confuse them" so in that ext this is touching on God Christ and The Holy Spirit, and specific sure Christ did exsist in the commencing up alongside with the two.

Answer 10

Jesus our Lord was saying the commandment as it came in De 6:4 and it's saying " Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" & Jesus said "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord" So Jesus was saying the Commandment , in onther hand the Unity of the Core Of Th great IAM Yhwh dosn't Conflict with the trinity of the nature of God , as the human has eye , ear & leg although that he is on human not three but he also has three and more senses , in few words , the unity is in a thing and the trinity is in onther thing

God bless all

Christian Coptic

Answer 11

The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (God).