Can you spot a flaw on my anti-vegetarian agrument?

Question

This is my agrument against vegetarianism and if you have the time please read through it and tell me if I have any errors in my agrument and correct them. Thank you. The agrument would be in the additional details section soon.

Vegetarianism is a diet in which the main goal is not to lose weight or to be healthier but to restrict food that causes death of animals. There are many different forms of vegetarianism but all of them include the forbidding the eating of meat. I personally am against it and the following are the reasons why.
The main reason why many people are vegetarianism is because they are under the belief that by being vegetarians are saving animals lives. This is a false belief because if one “saves” an animal’s life, the animal would have to live by eating and they would most likely one day eat another animal. Therefore if one “saves” an animal, one would also be murdering animals. Ironic is it not?
In addition to killing more animals than one would if they just ate the animal, it also deprives one of essential amino acids. In addition, why would a person feel the need to “save” an animal when they are naturally killers?

Every animal feels the need to survive and many do not care what they do to survive. In human standards, most of the animals in our world are criminals.
I believe that many choose to become vegetarians because they acknowledge that they are killing animals. My personal theory is that they feel that it is ironic that many humans think that humans are more important than animals and chose to manifest their disgust at this by becoming vegetarians because they cannot accept the fact that life is just a huge paradox. One must realize that life contradicts itself a lot and there is no way to escape it. Things die every single day and there is no way to stop it.

Side note: I am not here to bash your views. I respect them and thank you.

I'm not against eating cats and dogs.

Good to see alot of people spotting problems with my theory but can you honestly say that those animals that don't eat meat don't have intention to eat it? Do you honestly think that cows will not eat meat if they had to survive on it? Something to think about.

To Jenzie: Woah you are seriously overreacting to what I said. I said I respect your decision about vegetarianism. I am ok with you people being vegetarians and I am not hating on you people. This is just a thought and to your statement about skinning me, I wouldn't really mind since we do that to millions of animals everyday.

Answer 1

“Vegetarianism is a diet in which the main goal is not to lose weight or to be healthier but to restrict food that causes death of animals. There are many different forms of vegetarianism but all of them include the forbidding the eating of meat. I personally am against it and the following are the reasons why.
The main reason why many people are vegetarianism is because they are under the belief that by being vegetarians are saving animals lives. This is a false belief because if one “saves” an animal’s life, the animal would have to live by eating and they would most likely one day eat another animal. Therefore if one “saves” an animal, one would also be murdering animals. Ironic is it not?”

MattH: Considering most of the animals humans eat are herbivores this is not true. The logical extension of your augment is that we should kill as many people as possible because they might kill someone else. This is obviously absurd.


“In addition to killing more animals than one would if they just ate the animal, it also deprives one of essential amino acids. In addition, why would a person feel the need to “save” an animal when they are naturally killers?”

MattH: You need to do your nutrition research, vegetarian and Vegan diets do not deprive the body of anything protein related. This is beyond proven and is not open for debate. Who is “naturally killers”? Humans? I would think not. You go outside naked with your bare hands and try to catch and kill anything bigger than a earthworm. Good luck.

“Every animal feels the need to survive and many do not care what they do to survive. In human standards, most of the animals in our world are criminals.”

MattH: Animals live in the natural world, they do not factory farm the animals they eat, some animals have a dietary requirement for the animals they eat. Human behavior dies not apply to any of these things.

“I believe that many choose to become vegetarians because they acknowledge that they are killing animals. My personal theory is that they feel that it is ironic that many humans think that humans are more important than animals and chose to manifest their disgust at this by becoming vegetarians because they cannot accept the fact that life is just a huge paradox. One must realize that life contradicts itself a lot and there is no way to escape it. Things die every single day and there is no way to stop it.”

MattH: Your are mistaken, I’m Vegan because I understand that there is no morally relevant distinction between animals and humans when it comes to the ability to suffer at the hands of another. I believe in the premise of equal consideration, and since we protect the right of humans not to be the property of others because this would cause them to suffer; I see no morally relevant reason not to extend this protection to animals if, as we say, we accept the premise of equal consideration. Animals are not slaves just as subjugated races of humans are not slaves. All exist for their own reasons.


“Good to see alot of people spotting problems with my theory but can you honestly say that those animals that don't eat meat don't have intention to eat it? Do you honestly think that cows will not eat meat if they had to survive on it? Something to think about.”

MattH: No they don’t have the intention to eat it. If they did, they would.


I would love to see your rebuttal to my post if you have one.

Good Day!

Answer 2

You want us to spot the flaws in your argument?
Okay here is whats wrong:
"Vegetarianism is a diet in which the main goal is not to lose weight or to be healthier but to restrict food that causes death of animals. There are many different forms of vegetarianism but all of them include the forbidding the eating of meat. I personally am against it and the following are the reasons why.
The main reason why many people are vegetarianism is because they are under the belief that by being vegetarians are saving animals lives. This is a false belief because if one “saves” an animal’s life, the animal would have to live by eating and they would most likely one day eat another animal. Therefore if one “saves” an animal, one would also be murdering animals. Ironic is it not?
In addition to killing more animals than one would if they just ate the animal, it also deprives one of essential amino acids. In addition, why would a person feel the need to “save” an animal when they are naturally killers?

Every animal feels the need to survive and many do not care what they do to survive. In human standards, most of the animals in our world are criminals.
I believe that many choose to become vegetarians because they acknowledge that they are killing animals. My personal theory is that they feel that it is ironic that many humans think that humans are more important than animals and chose to manifest their disgust at this by becoming vegetarians because they cannot accept the fact that life is just a huge paradox. One must realize that life contradicts itself a lot and there is no way to escape it. Things die every single day and there is no way to stop it."

I think you could maybe change a few wrong things. Like maybe ALL OF IT. You are completly missinformed/ uneducated on the subject, and you should think before you speak.

Answer 3

1.Vegetarianism is a diet in which the main goal is not to lose weight or to be healthier but to restrict food that causes death of animals.
This is not true for all vegetarians.People are vegetarians for other reasons also.

2.There are many different forms of vegetarianism but all of them include the forbidding the eating of meat. I personally am against it and the following are the reasons why.
The main reason why many people are vegetarianism is because they are under the belief that by being vegetarians are saving animals lives. This is a false belief because if one “saves” an animal’s life, the animal would have to live by eating and they would most likely one day eat another animal. Therefore if one “saves” an animal, one would also be murdering animals. Ironic is it not?
The animals we consume are herbivores(except the pig,which is omnivorous)


3.In addition to killing more animals than one would if they just ate the animal, it also deprives one of essential amino acids.
You do not kill more animals.If you study economics you would know the laws of Supply and Demand.By not consuming meat you are lowering the demand for meat,so less will be suppplied in the future.Some also argue that more animals are killed in the process of harvesting crops.But that is surely not true,it is estimated that if ALL of the land in the U.S. was used for farming,it would kill about a total 1.8 billion animals.That number is no where near the 26 billion animals killed for meat.Meat contains no essential amino acids that cannot be found in plant sources.

4.In addition, why would a person feel the need to “save” an animal when they are naturally killers?
Again,we rarely eat canivore animals.

5.Every animal feels the need to survive and many do not care what they do to survive. In human standards, most of the animals in our world are criminals.
Animals cannot rationalize,so they do not know the difference between right and wrong.Carnivore animals eat meat out of necessity,if they don’t they will not survive,humans however,do not need to eat meat.

6.I believe that many choose to become vegetarians because they acknowledge that they are killing animals. My personal theory is that they feel that it is ironic that many humans think that humans are more important than animals and chose to manifest their disgust at this by becoming vegetarians because they cannot accept the fact that life is just a huge paradox. One must realize that life contradicts itself a lot and there is no way to escape it. Things die every single day and there is no way to stop it.
Just because you cannot stop all of the suffering and killing in the world,does not mean you should not try and end some of it.Just like you cannot feed all of the starving kids,does not mean you should not try and feed some of them.

Answer 4

Yes, I agree... one of the reasons I am a vegetarian is that I believe I am saving some of the lives of animals. Actually, I KNOW I am saving some animals' lives. My family of three equals to three less animal-eating mouths. Although that alone doens't seem like much, I know that we are making a difference to those animals that are not being slaughtered. Add three mouths to the thousands who take that stand to not eat meat everyday and soon, you've got a multitude of people.

"Saving" an animal's life is not a false belief because the animals that we eat here are mainly chickens, cows and pigs. Those animals do not eat one another. They feed on grass, grains, etc. Besides, even if they ate one another, they are merely going through the cycle in which nature intended them to be (the food chain). Let them live the way they're supposed to live without having someone force them into a shed to become a family's dinner.

As for being deprived of "essential amino acids", there are plenty of vitamins and whole food supplements. In addition, eating a balanced meal with all of the *important* nutrients is all one would need to do to be healthy. Plus, there is scientific evidence that eliminating animal products from your diet can reduce your risk of getting heart disease and other illnesses.

I realize that life contradicts itself a lot. It can be very happy, very ironic or just flat out depressing sometimes. It's sad that we can't trust the very people who run our nation, but why wallow in sadness? Change can be difficult for those who are pessimistic but if you remain hopeful, then it is encouraging to know that things can get better. All it takes is a little hope and a little encouragement.

Things may die every day... hell, even I'll die, but what I do know is I don't want to be stuck bedridden in the hospital for some disease that could have been prevented if I had just eaten healthier. I've heard of and talked to many who've had to deal with colon cancer and personally would not want to experience that.

There's my piece. The End.

Answer 5

well im not a vegetarian myself, and i do and dont agree with your arguement. I agree that if one doesnt eat the animal to "save its life" that that animal spared will kill another to survive. But then that animal could be one that doesn really kill an animal to survive, especially at a farm. lets say a chicken is not eaten, that chicken goes on to lay more eggs, and creates more life, but that chicken only consumes grains. or cown only consume the grass, or the fish only consumes some dry flakes which are made from fish that naturally die anyways, or the pic that eats their combination of gump. Animals does not exactly eat other animals, In reality, most of the animals we eat are grown in farms and fed pretty much vegetarian diets.
Now I do know many vegetarians, and like you said they dont eat no meat to lose weight or be healthier, they eat it to spare animals lives. If your statement were to be true that the animal they dont eat ends up killing another to survive, why does that really matter, that not the vegetarians fault for not eating the meat. That is just natural, that is how the food chain works. As for humans, what is natural? we dont know, what is normal? we dont know? is eating meat natural or normal because its what all the other animals and generations have been doing? not exactly. Life is complicated, if i were you i'd just let people live on how they are living, and how they want to live, i wouldnt try to judge how a person lives or try to change them because of what you believe. I think that everyone contributes to this world, positively, everyone adds inovations, the meat lovers add more food to the world, more recipies, more wys to cook it, the vegetarians create new foods, new cuisines, new ways of thinking. I think life is great the way it is, we would never know how it would differ (could be in no way or in the largest way posible) if there wasnt everyone there is in this world.

The flaw in your essay is that the part about "saving a life" means ending more of others is more of a fallacy.

Answer 6

1. There are many reasons for vegetarianism. You need to restrict your theory to "ethical vegetarianism."

2. With the exception of some fish, most of the animals you eat are herbivores. So your main argument is fundamentally flawed. A cow will not at more animals if it lives another day.

3. Your argument is against vegetarianism, and not veganism. Eggs contain all the essential amino acids. (The fact that all the vegans in the world aren't dying off due to missing amino acids is another counterpoint if you choose to refine your argument.

4. Animals being criminals? There are no nonhuman animals committing any white collar crime, treason, perjury, piracy, arson, espionage, genocide, grand theft, or war crimes.

5. Things do die everyday, but I can do what I can to cause less suffering. By your logic there is nothing wrong with killing other humans, people die everyday right?

If a starving cow encountered the corpse of another animal it would not think of eating it, nor would it have the means to. Like vegans, cows do not consider meat to be food

I guess since all your anti-vegetarian arguments have been refuted, you have no choice now but to become one yourself. Welcome to the world of compassion.

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Pigs will eat pretty much anything, but they don't really go around killing other animals for food, except for insects.

Answer 7

OK, as far as animals eating other animals...what animals are you eating, exactly? Many animals do just fine as vegetarians, like chickens (not free-range), cows, ducks, turkeys, etc.

As far as animals' place in the world, look at India. There, sacred cows are kept for dairy products and working, but are not killed for meat. So they're helpful (except when they're roaming around in traffic, but you gotta expect a little craziness when you're driving around India!) in that they pull carts and plows, provide manure (which is good for fertilization AND can be used for methane gas extraction), and provide dairy products.

When it comes to other animals, if we stopped eating them, people would stop breeding them for the most part, and the current ones would live out their lives until we reached some sort of equilibrium. For instance, you could have pigs to eat garbage (like stuff you'd put on a compost pile) and they could be pets or hunt for truffles or drugs or whatever. They're pretty cool, good animals, smarter than many dogs.

Besides, if you do eat animals that eat other animals (like, say, sharks or snakes or something), that's NATURAL. If everything were in harmony, then predators and prey would eventually even out to levels where it would be optimal for all the stuff in an ecosystem.

But it's sickening when smart, pleasant pigs are crammed by the millions into festering metal buildings (the stench and pollution because of pig feces getting in the ground water is truly disgusting and very dangerous), when chickens are de-beaked and crammed into tiny cages to lay eggs or pack on pounds just to be killed off at 3-4 months old, when cows are fed grain, which makes them so sick that they need antibiotics (and where do you think the E. coli and salmonella come from, hmmmm? Sick cows being slaughtered inappropriately.)

Read Fast Food Nation and see how well your argument stands up.

And if this is for a debate or something, you better come up with a better argument! Yours is very weak and wouldn't compare to a well-informed vegetarian.

Answer 8

It isn't about "saving animals lives," because for some people it is for different reasons.

However, it is really more about freedom for animals to live their own lives. If they have freedom then they may quickly die by predator, or live for a hundred years. No different than people. Some people use their freedom to be successful and live a long and healthy life while others end up dead from addictions. All animals will die, but the concept is that they should be free to make their own destiny.

It is the certainty of death at the slaughterhouse that many do not approve of.

That is why your argument is flawed.

Answer 9

I am not a vegetarian, however I do love to eat veggies. You said something to the fact that eventually an animal would eat another animal. I don't see any cow's or buffalo, or pigs or chickens eating one of their own or another animal for that matter. Now, Bear perhaps yes, but not deer or elk or rabbit either. So to sum up in what your point is, I really don't understand that part of your view. Most of the animals we eat are vegetarian.

Answer 10

I have to say, no offense intended, that this has to be the worst theory I have heard to date. To start with, the animals consumed by humans are not carnivours. A cow, pig, chicken, or turkey would not eat another animal-ever. They eat a diet of grains and grasses (except in factory farms where they are fed an unnatural diet of grains and ground up other dead animals) So, if I save a cow, I can be certain its NOT going to eat another animal. Same for a chicken, turkey or pig. I have my own cow, and when I walk out to see her, she comes over and nuzzles me. She is in a meadow with other creatures, and they all leave each other alone and get along well. I know that they would not eat each other under ANY circumstances. The animals that DO eat meat, have the ability to hunt, catch, kill, and consume their prey, and do so out of instinct and desperation-yes, its sad, but that IS the food chain. If a human was MEANT to eat meat, he would have the ability to hunt it without tools. We have an imposable thumb, perfecty designed for growing and harvesting fruits, grains, and veggies. Humans have a choice-and we do not NEED meat to survive. All of the protein, vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients we need are readily available. To eat meat is just selfish greed. Notice that naturally predatory animals are not eaten. Sorry, but I see no merit in your theory whatsoever