Wow, you really know how to bring out the critic in everyone. Great topic though... Since we could spend about 6 months in debate over this issue, and you never really clarified what this is for, i.e. school report, personnal interest, etc., I'll just point you to the websites I've found.
inelligentdesignnetwork.org
skepdic.com/intelligentdesign.html
yes thats skepdic with a c
Later
2007-03-25 19:12:51
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answer #1
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answered by Stephen L 2
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I don't by any means intend to cause a problem or argue, but evolution has evidence in facts. Intelligent design has "evidence" in lack of information, misunderstanding, and supposition, not facts.
Re: Additional details...that's just it. You said it yourself. Assumptions. "Scientists" who deny the possibility of evolution are not real scientists. I'm not saying evolution is a fact, it isn't. But there is plenty of evidence supporting it. These days, anyone can call themself a scientist, as long as there are people who are willing to believe it. And religious "scientists" are doing that, using the title to give their assertions a false sense of authority.
2007-03-26 01:50:38
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answer #2
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answered by Master Maverick 6
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There are none. No "facts" support it (or refute it, for that matter). It is a philosophical argument, rather than a scientific one. It should be judged based on logic, not evidence.
As such, its logically invalid. Its a text-book example of the logical fallacy "Argument from Incredulity". To paraphrase: I can't believe it, therefore it can't be true.
PS: They aren't any credible scientists who support ID. Sorry kiddo. The facts are going to fail you here. You are instead going to have to turn to BS. Go to an ID website (there are hundreds) and use their "facts". They aren't correct, but you aren't intrested in that, you just want to do well in your debate, right?
2007-03-26 01:50:27
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answer #3
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answered by Skippy 6
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Evolution has few facts and virtually no math.
That's the first thing you have to swallow
There is no:
APE times the SPEED OF LIGHT divided by the SQUARE ROOT of Log E = MAN
Evolution is a MATHLESS science with NO algebraic postulates
Galileo dropped a few things off the Tower of Pizza
Big deal
NEWTON gave us the MATH to explain how it works in a sub-light universe.
EINSTEIN gave us the MATH to explain how NEWTON'S UINVERSE doesn't hold together in REALATIVISTIC SPACE
Darwin gave us a lot of rhetoric and no math
Now, BEFORE MAN CREATED HOUSES he lived in caves
If intellegent design is so wrong, why aren't you living in a cave?
I mean that's the NATURAL WAY
THE EVOLUTIONARY WAY
until such a time when NATURE GROWS A HOUSE
You LIVE in a WORLD of INTELLEGENT DESIGN with your IPOD, XBOX, Electricity, HDTV, Microwave Oven and frosteless refrigerator
But you laugh INTELLEGENT DESIGN unless it was done by a MAN
Pretty self-centered thinking
Pretty EGOTISTICAL
NOTHING but MAN can design things!
The UNIVERSE can ACCIDENTALLY MAKE MAN who then goes around DESIGNING THINGS
But think for ONE MOMENT that MAN was DESIGNED by someone else and it's like were...
DATA from Star Trek
Ouuuu
Horrible thought!
2007-03-26 02:31:38
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answered by Anonymous
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Michael Behe, the father of Irreducible Complexity and one of the primary figures of Intelligent Design, posited that the flagellum of some bacterium is 'irreducibly complex', that is, no possible evolutionary pathway could have generated it from a stochaistic process. Michael Behe's primary book, "Darwin's Blackbox," posits numerous structures that he claims are irreducibly complex.
These are the only 'facts' he has. He has no others.
Unfortunately for him, every example of a function or part that he claims is irreducibly complex is summarily shown to be reducibly complex within a matter of weeks, if not days, of his positing the challenge.
Literally, there are no facts for IC/ID. There is only unfounded statistical estimates by people who have documented bias in their estimates.
2007-03-26 02:04:50
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answered by Anonymous
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Intelligent design is an opinion arising from a specific point of view. Evolution is one explanation for what no one knows as of yet. As interesting as it all is, the real question is, what shall we do now. Not to try to stop you from investigating it all. Maybe something new will ocurr to you. But it's basically trivia, considering the impact and the lack of certainty.
2007-03-26 01:54:15
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answered by Nowpower 7
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Evolution has no facts. None! I would say the number one website for intelligent design is the Discovery Institute......
http://www.discovery.org/.
Reasons to believe is a mixture of I.D. and creationism.....
http://www.reasons.org/index.shtml
, It seems to me that the intelligent design answer to the evolution question is irrefutable. It simply says that design in the universe is undeniable. The law of cause and effect says that wherever you find design you must have a designer somewhere. Since the cause must have everything the effect does and the effect(the universe) has intelligence, the cause(the designer) must also have intelligence. So you need an intelligent designer of this universe. But who could design a universe outside of a God. You call Him whatever you want to call Him. I call Him a God. That refutes evolution since evolution says that everything came about by random chance. The I.D. argument, it seems to me, is irrefutable. It's a simple logical argument:
Premise #1: Wherever you find design, you need a designer.
Premise #2: The universe exhibits design
Conclusion: The universe needs a designer.
The only way around that argument is to deny the second premise. Every atheist has to deny design. As I've said before, If you read Richard Dawkins two latest books('the blind watchmaker' and 'the god delusion') that's exactly what he does. He denies design. He says that there's no design in the universe, just the "appearance of design". But that's insane. You just can't logically and realistically deny that there's design all through the universe. It's all around you. You have to be blind not to see it. There are branches of science that basically just study the design in nature.........scientific disciplines such as nano-technology and bio-mimetrics. These disciplines study the design in nature.......whales,bats,dolphins... have sonar.......and try to create machines that mimic that design. Everywhere you look there's design. Where there's design there's got to be a designer. That's just common sense. Creation is not an unproven theory. It's a common sense fact that we come to by just using a little logic and reason.
. You look at bats. They do not fly by sight. They can barely see in the day but they sleep in the day. They are nocturnal creatures. They do all their activities at night and at night they are blind. They fly by means of sonar. They send out sound waves through their nose as they are flying. If those sound waves bounce off something and come back at them, they pick them up and know that they are heading toward something and need to veer in a different direction. Somehow they know how fast they are flying and they know that sound travels at 723 MPH and as they fly they continue to send out sound waves so they continue to get updated information. Given enough info(and continued updated info) a mathematician could sit down with a pencil and paper and some calculus equations and figure out how far the bat was from the object and with the right info could even figure out if the object the bat is heading toward is stationary or moving toward the bat or away from it. But that would take time and if the bat took that much time he’d be flying into trees and telephone poles other things. We have developed computers that can do that in a second. That's what sonar is all about. The bat has a computer in his head that can figure that info out in a nanosecond. It knows what it is heading for without being able to physically see. It's flying by instruments(as pilots would say). Do you really think that the sonar equipment that is in the bats head just came about by random chance(read....luck) natural processes? You do if you're an atheist.
The human body is the ultimate machine. People have developed all kinds of efficient machines like the automobile but compared to these the human body is infinitely superior. It adapts to stress, it thrives and survives. It can even heal itself within certain limits. Certain cells regenerate; wounds and fractures naturally heal and the immune system can often overcome infections. And if you use this machine, it developes: If not, it shrinks and loses it’s function. Whenever we use an auto it wears out a little and finally malfunctions. But physical exercise causes humans to perform better at work or sports. And I haven’t even begun to mention the bodies amazing feats of data processing, analysis, synthesis, reasoning, inventing and creating.
The human body is a carbon based, chemically fueled, force-liquid-and-air cooled, bipedal, communicative, photochromatic, binocular, cellularly self-replicating, self diagnostic, self repairing tissuewisae, multidextrous, continuosly adaptive, computer controlled, biodegradable exhaust system machine, capable of short and long term memory with conceptual retrieval and integration, and precise decision making and creativity, able to copy it’s own DNA in the cells and to proof read the copies----truly an ultimate machine.
We know that to plan and construct something vastly superior like an automobile, it takes an intelligent human designer. An unbiased observer would have great difficulty denying the rational conclusion that the Ultimate Designer made the Ultimate Machine, the human body. One has to have a particular blind faith to believe that unaided molecules, arranging themselves by themselves with no intelligence to guide this arrangement(read……luck) could have created the Ultimate Machine, namely, humans.
2007-03-26 03:11:38
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answered by upsman 5
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Actually, there are no facts supporting ID. The hypothesis of irreducible complexity is yet to be demonstrated in any biological system.
2007-03-26 01:49:44
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answered by novangelis 7
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Sorry, there are no facts supporting intelligent design.
How could there be? It's fantasy, not science.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/
2007-03-26 02:08:39
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answered by eldad9 6
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Facts don't 'support' anything, and shouldn't be twisted to agendas. Facts can PROVE things scientifically, which is different.
2007-03-26 01:48:42
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answered by Kate S 3
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