And don't quote any religious "storybooks"
I want concrete, logical proof.
2007-03-25 04:30:55 · 29 answers · asked by Justin 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Justin, I read your other questions.
I suggest you follow your own advice and "get a grip."
People believe what they believe, and there will always be disagreement, it's human nature.
Deal with it.
2007-03-25 04:38:39 · answer #1 · answered by Rich 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
You are a machine running a very complex program of events known as the Genome that dictates when you will reach puberty, when your first gray hairs will grow, when you will become prone to cancer, if at all, when your organs will start to fall apart and cease functioning.
No computer has ever generated a computer program on its own.
No random generation of a program has ever been documented.
Logic dictates, therefore, someone with a brain had to write that program.
We assign that someone the name God.
In order to invalidate the thesis you have to show COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS are unnecessary and that machines can do their own programming, thus putting IT out of work.
To invalidate this you have to show SCIENCE is unnecessary and that RANDOMLY nature will do their work.
WILLFULL intent made the auto, microwave oven and television possible. It did not happen on it's own naturally.
Therefore, all our logical senses tell us there HAS to be a mind and a hand behind ANYTHING complex that functions in a complex nature.
WE have NO OTHER Logical basis in nature to PROVE otherwise.
This does not mean we may not find one at some future date which will cloud the issue.
But the FACT remains NATURE does not make TV, a mind does.
THE most science can demonstrate is that inorganic elements to a degree can form randomly.
Complex elements such as Californium and isotopes of Plutonimum are man made. Made by a mind, not nature.
Random has a limitation.
After that intellegence must take over.
If we DIDN'T HAVE THIS GENOME that does things on a clockwork, regulated basis, then my logic would be flawed.
But since the GENOME is PRECISE in what it does and does it DRASTICALLY DIFFERENTLY for each living thing, evenwithin a speices. For example, SOME PEOPLE NEVER GET CANCER because the GENOME doesn't trigger the proteins strains responsbile for the PREDESTINATION.
For something that complex and precise, LOGIC dictates that the ODDS strongly favor intellence behind it all.
TV sets don't grow on trees.
Your body is NOT a randomly working machine BUT a machine being controlled by a genetic program that includes an END statement where even DOCTORS can't revive you because your kidneys', liver, heart simply will not keep going even though cell generation is still occuring.
The NATURAL table of PEROIDIC elements is FINITE with NATURE. The only thing extending it is the mind and hand of man.
Nature only takex complexity so far. AFter that intellegence has to take over.
All one has to do is look at the complexity of AI. Man will lick it. Man will make a thinking machine.
CAN NATURE do that accidentially.
There is NO BASIS in reality to PROVE to ANY degree that is true.
Since MAN creates AI, we are ONLY left with a STRONG conclusion that something must also have created MAN.
For lack of a better name, we call that God.
2007-03-25 04:59:36 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
You see....we don't have to. We know he exists. But. Proving He exists is a lot easier than for someone like you to prove the opposite. It's a lot bigger pill to swallow that all of the perfection of our world and the universe just came out of nothing with no supreme being. You can't give concrete, logical proof that God doesn't exist. Faith is believing in what can not be seen. You have your own faith. It's just that it's a polar opposite from the Christian believers.
2007-03-25 04:40:00 · answer #3 · answered by Jenny 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
You can always find those concrete logical proofs in your heart. Go to the nearest church and open your heart. Open your heart and mind to the love and peacefulness that faith brings. That's the only place where you can find the right answer to your question. Have you seen "it" in a believers eyes? Have you seen their love, their forgiveness, their faith? No matter what happens they always thank God for that, even if it's a bad thing that happened. Are they all crazy? Maybe they've seen something that you didn't manage to.
I think you should try and feel God, that's the best proof that you can get.
2007-03-25 04:40:34 · answer #4 · answered by Pinky 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋
What's your problem man? Your life sucks so you want everyone else to have nothing to look for. What about when you see complete strangers working together when someone's house blows down. Or when somebody gets through the uncurable disease of cancer. That is logical enough for me. Why do you atheists just have to say that there is nothing out there. How did the universe become? and I mean before the "big bang" that all of you atheists seem to so strongly support. Truthfully, I say prove that that happened. I tell you what man, if god doesn't exist, what do I have to lose? OK, you were right then, I'm dead, you're dead. But if I'm right, hey I'm in heaven you're in hell. I will continue to take my chances and I personally hope that one day you realize to, at the least, not put down people for believing in something.
2007-03-25 11:28:45 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are responsible for choosing a relationship with God. Christians are just humans. We do not have the ability to fill you with faith and love for God. You must go to the Lord for that. Whether you believe or not, does not change the fact that God exists. A better question, is how can you live on this earth, with all that exists, and NOT believe in God? I hope you will eventually humble your heart and let God in. He loves you, and is waiting. Though I hate many things that Unbelievers do, I do not hate the Unbeliever.
2007-03-25 05:26:45 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
It can be proved by reasoning.
However, you come across a bit angry.
You give the impression you may not accept any kind of reasoning.
If you and I were treking through the desert and upon climbing one particular dune, we look down to see a beautiful mansion, well manicured lawns and radiant foliage all around.
Even a full fridge.
You ask, in surprise: "Who built this way out here in the midddle of the desert?"
If I replied:
"Nobody built it, it just grew on its own."
Would you question my sanity?
Would you think I had too much sun?
Sure you would!
You would reply:
"Are you crazy? Of course someone built it!"
Our beautiful planet in the desert of space and the intricate way man is made, all indicate a maker.
No?
2007-03-25 04:50:00 · answer #7 · answered by Uncle Thesis 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I prove Him everyday working all things together for my good!
That's my experience, and has been for over 37 years.
The truth about God is known to you instinctively, otherwise you would not even be contemplating your question. You are God conscious whether your willing to admit it or not - because God has put this knowledge in your heart. Don't fight what you can see! Look around you - from the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. You can clearly see His invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature. So you have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.
2007-03-25 04:36:46 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
No one in here can prove that God exists. If they could, the other Christians would quote them with every question asked.
2007-03-25 04:38:07 · answer #9 · answered by S K 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Prove God doesn't exist. I want concrete, logical proof.
2007-03-25 04:33:40 · answer #10 · answered by lollipop 6 · 3⤊ 2⤋