For people who call Israel an apartheid state because it calls itself the Jewish State...?

Question

A quick Internet search will show that Afghanistan is the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, Iran is the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mauritania is the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, and Pakistan is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

When a country with a Muslim majority adds an Islamic prefix to its official name, it's just making a statement. When the one country in the world with a Jewish majority adds a Jewish prefix to its official name, it's apartheid and racism! Not that the Jewish State is even the official name of Israel! Israel is Madinat Israel, the State of Israel.

How stupid can people get?

Read the question. "For people who call Israel an apartheid state BECAUSE it calls itself the Jewish State..." I'm not talking about the treatment of the Palestinians. Don't change the topic.

"People call Israel an apartheid state because it treats the Palestinians as second-rate citizens. They have no freedom of movement and the Palestinian territories resemble the black homelands during the Apartheid regime in South Africa."
(1) Arab Palestinians aren't considered Israeli citizens. Nor do they want Israeli citizenship. Israel's one million Arab citizens are all of Palestinian origin but the majority of them don't consider themselves Israeli while, of course, enjoying Israel's high standard of living.

"Just like the blacks in South Africa during the Apartheid regime, Palestinians are forcibly removed from their lands to make place for the wall or for new settlements reserved for Jews."
Wrong. (1) The comparison between Israel and South Africa is disgusting. Israel has been in a state of war for sixty years, while South Africa's security was never endangered by its black citizens. (2) Every single settlement in the West Bank is built on private land.

"Israel is called an apartheid state not because it calls itself Jewish, but because of its policies against the native population."
These policies are unpleasant but necessary for security. The Gaza Strip Barrier i.e. the "Apartheid Wall" decreased terrorist attacks by 85%.

"The only reason that there is a Jewish majority is because most of the Palestinians are not allowed to vote in the country they were born in."
You obviously know nothing about Israeli demographics or politics. Israel is a secular democracy, the only one in the Middle East besides Turkey. The Israeli Declaration of Independence states that all citizens have equal civil rights and political freedoms, irrespective of their religion. Israel is home to one million Arab Israelis of Palestinian origin who not only vote but have members in the Knesset and political parties. Again, Palestinians aren't considered Israeli citizens and nor do they want Israeli citizenship.

"Pretending that Palastin never existed may work for you but this fantasy is not acceptable to most of us."
Palestine was a name for the region, like Canaan, Eretz Israel, and the Holy Land. There is no proof that an independent Arab Muslim state called Palestine existed anytime in history.

Can a Canadian vote in the U.S.? No. Then how can an Arab Palestinian who is an Israeli citizen neither by birth nor by choice vote in Israel, especially one who denies Israel's right to exist? Use your common sense!

However many, Fourmorebeers, they do exist and this question is addressed to them. :-)

"And really I do not see what you are trying to achieve here, you are really not helping your cause."

Easy. I'm dispelling Al-Jazeera mythology about Israel.

Also, about the West Bank settlements, consider that

(1) The West Bank has a strategic location vital for Israeli security;

(2) The West Bank was captured by Israel in the Six Day War, which was triggered by years of indirect Arab warfare. Now Israel is expected to give up East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights, just as it gave up Gaza and the Sinai. Why did Arabs always threaten Israel's security and provoke a military response, then portray themselves as underdogs?

(3) The majority of Israeli voters support a phased withdrawal from all the disputed territories, and

(4) Ehud Barak was prepared to give Yasser Arafat Gaza, over 95% of the West Bank, and part of the Old City of Jerusalem as well as shared administration of the Temple Mount by 2000 in exchange for peace and the existence of a few original Jewish settlements and Arafat refused.

You will find a report that says up to 40% of the settlements may rest on Palestinian land. What about the remaining 60%? Is it not rightfully owned?

(That last comment is to correct myself when I said that all West Bank settlements lie on private land.)

Answer 1

Charlotte Kates is the pro-terrorist law student at Rutgers Univ. who organized the pro-Palestinian conference and defends suicide bombers...

The following letter was written to the President of Rutgers State University by an Israeli citizen after reading Kates' published comments on the Israeli/Palestinian situation !!

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Dear Ms. Kates,

I think you are a remarkable woman. You are neither an Arab nor a Jew, you do not study the Middle East, or any associated subject and, correct me if I am wrong, you have never visited this region. Therefore I am somewhat astounded at your expertise and your comments on Israel being an "Apartheid" state.

I have lived in Israel for many years and I would be delighted to take you on a little virtual tour of our country. Let me first give you a couple of minor points. Israel occupies 0.1% of the landmass of the Middle East and it is the only Jewish state, not only in this region, surrounded as we are by 22 Arab states, but in the world.

Let us begin your virtual tour!!

You have already been through immigration at Tel Aviv Airport with your boyfriend, whom we shall call Ken. You will have filled out a visitors form.

This form will not ask you, as it will in many of the countries that surround us, what is your religion, and it will certainly not ask you, as they do in Saudi Arabia, for a "certificate of religion".

The day is Sunday! You will want to attend a church service. No problem in the Apartheid State of Israel. We tolerate and freely allow worship for all religions. This is more than can be said for nearly all of the surrounding 22 Arab nations. In fact many of them would not even have a single church, let alone a synagogue.

After a lovely service you and Ken would head for a leisurely lunch, maybe at one of the lovely beachfront restaurants in Tel Aviv. You would most likely have returned to your hotel and put on a very casual outfit, as fitting the very hot Israeli summers. This could be a pair of shorts and a tight-fitting skimpy t-shirt. No problem in the Apartheid state of Israel.

In Israel we allow freedom of dress, especially for women, who are not made to wear bulky long robes, a veil to cover their face, and, wouldn't it be a pity if you had to cover that lovely coiffed hairdo, as you would probably have to in most of the surrounding 22 Arab states.

During lunch Ken could gaze lovingly into your heavily painted eyes, complete with a good application of black mascara. He would be free to lean across and kiss your lips, finely painted with lip liner, 2 shades of burgundy lipstick and gloss. People would probably think you were in love, especially as Ken has proudly displayed a good wine on the table. Public displays of affection and consuming alcohol in the Apartheid state of Israel is nothing unusual and its not even scorned upon.

That's more than can be said for most of the surrounding 22 Arab states, where your glossy lips would be considered whorish and alcohol is forbidden.

But Ken, being a little flirtatious, pinched one of the young waitresses while you went to reapply your lipstick. It was harmless and, luckily for the young girl in the Apartheid State of Israel, her father and 6 brothers will not take her to the family pool in the evening and drown her, as they would in some of the surrounding 22 Arab states.

After lunch you and Ken drive around. You are even allowed to drive. It is not forbidden in Israel.

You stumble across a kindergarten. The children are running around and enjoying themselves. They are not made to sit for hours reciting by rote pages from religious books. Their games are in the sand pit or on the swings. They are not infested with hate or told the only honor to their lives will be in death.

In the Apartheid state of Israel we rejoice in life and living. We do not promote murder and violence by brainwashing our children with hatred, as they do in many of the surrounding 22 Arab states.

By the end of the day you and Ken come across a political rally. Many thousands have turned up. In the Apartheid State of Israel all the citizens, men, women, Jew, Arab and Christian are free to vote. We are allowed to openly criticize the government. and our media, including the T.V. and newspapers offer, without prejudice, a choice of opinions. Every person has the right to openly agree with or condemn the government. This can certainly not be said for most of the surrounding 22 Arab states, ruled as they are by oppressive dictators, where any dissent is met with dire consequences.

Of course, most of the 22 surrounding Arab countries can't offer you a good old-fashioned homicide bombing as a tourist attraction. This can only happen in the apartheid state of Israel, surrounded as we are, by so many hostile countries determined, as you are, to wipe us off the face of the earth.

Where else can you get on a crowded bus, often packed with children and come face to face with some poor, plighted Palestinian ghoul who thinks life isn't very jolly, having been fed and brainwashed by evil organizations like Hamas, to believe that the only way forward is to murder innocent people? This dehumanized creature will have been fed on a 24/7 diet of lies and hate incitement, he will have been coaxed with the reward of 72 vestal virgins waiting for him in Paradise. His demonic mother will be dancing in the street waving her $10,000 check.

While Israelis are scraping their dead children off the sidewalks, the Palestinians will be lighting fireworks and dancing in the street, to honor this mass murderer as a hero, often to their children who are being systematically nurtured to be the next generation of mass murderers.


The Apartheid state of Israel? Forgive me Ms. Kates but you seem somewhat confused as to the meaning of the word. It usually refers to segregation. It's funny isn't it that a large section of the Jews who live in this apartheid state had to flee for their lives from nearly all of the surrounding 22 Arab states. These countries not only have no tolerance for Jews, they refer to anyone who is not a Moslem as an Infidel and an enemy.

I find it somewhat curious that you find nothing "apartheid" about these countries. Maybe you should do a project on how many churches there are in Saudi Arabia. Let me help you - there are none. It would not be tolerated.

I am proud to live in this Apartheid State. In 55 years we have become one of the most technologically advanced nations on this planet, with many innovations that have made Israel a true leader in many fields. It is tragic that we have to live in a region that feels threatened by our achievements.

Israel is not an apartheid state and it is appalling that a so-called intelligent and thinking person like you can go around finding feeble excuses for mass murder.

Ms. Kates there is no justification, in any society, for getting on a crowded bus, often packed with children, detonating an explosive belt, often packed with nails and shrapnel, and destroying innocent lives.

This is not a freedom fighter, or a person seeking justice, but a chronically and irreversibly evil human being.

I can only assume that one day in the near future Ms. Kates, you will chip off that heavy layer of make up and discover your conscience

Answer 2

Sorry, however Israel isn't a democracy. Did you realize, they drafted a invoice to make it unlawful for the Palestinians within Israel to commemorate Al-Nakbah (the day Palestine used to be wiped off the map)? You say that the riding drive to create Israel used to be in view that of the persecution of the Jews, however wasn't it in view that Palestine used to be promised to them as a Holy Land? The precise riding drive used to be the hidden Zionist schedule, to position a Jewish state strategically among Arab international locations. The British had at first desired to supply them Uganda. Israel is an Apartheid state, the segregation wall and Jew most effective roads are evidence of that. Israel won't final lengthy, as a Jewish state or in any other case, if it maintains to comply with those insurance policies.

Answer 3

The only reason that there is a jewish majority is because most of the Palestinians are not allowed to vote in the country they were born in.

That is a good example of how stupid people can get. Not noticing this fact takes it to a new and hereto fore unknown level of stupidity.

Not allowing people a voice in the way that there own country is run is a large part of the definition of apartheid.

Pretending that Palastin never existed may work for you but this fantasy is not acceptable to most of us.

Love and blessings Don

Answer 4

Bit of a straw man I'm afraid.

Whether I agree with them or not most people who call Israel an apartheid state do it because of how they treat the Palestinians not because of what is in the title of the State.

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And I would like to know how many actually do that SOLELY because of the name of the Jewish state.

And really I do not see what you are trying to achieve here, you are really not helping your cause.

Answer 5

Spend some more time on YA, and you will see how stupid people can get. Amazing really !

Answer 6

Nobody say that Israel an apartheid state because it calls itself the Jewish State...

I repeat Nobody said that

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Show me where you find this information , please

Thank you , my friend.

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