URGENT info for vegans and vegetarians?

Question

The recent pet food recall has been linked to wheat gluten, which is one of the main ingredients in fake meats and seitan. I recommend avoiding it until more is known, about whether any of it ended up in the human food supply. Most animal food factories use the same ingredients as human food factories Not a question, but seamed worth passing on

Green ghost, you are an @ss. You have ripped me in here before, and assume YOU are the all knowing one. I am merely pointing out a basic precaution, dont get your panties in such a wad. You are too high strung. You know zip about my life and diet, so quite spouting off about it. When you sign my mortgage payment, then you can tell me what to do, or how credible I am

Answer 1

Are you out of your mind?

A spokesdrone for Menu Foods is the only source for that (at this point) rumor! That's a standard 'shift the blame' type statement that companies issue to try to shift the blame elsewhere. That statement is totally worthless!

Keep in mind that the statement comes from the same company that decided the best way to determine if their products had a problem was to feed it to a lot of animals and see if any got sick rather than use laboratory tests to look for toxins!!

It's just do d*rn early to know what's causing the problems with their products. Based on the symptoms I'd be looking for contamination from a toxic oil (like raw rapeseed or hydraulic fluid) or myco-toxins (mold). Wheat gluten is just not toxic!!

The other day you were crowing about how good it was to be vegetarian (which you AREN'T) so that you didn't have to worry about the recall. Today you're trying to stir more S*** with this junk question. You have a habit of spreading junk science and rumors in this (and other) sections of YA.

You have NO credibility left!

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BTW; have you EVER been near any food factory? If you think the majority of pet food factories source from human food suppliers using human grade ingredients you're beyond help. Pet food factories typically get the cheapest garbage they can find. Meat ingredients are sourced from slaughterhouse waste and outdated (but not too rank) meats. Vegetable ingredients are sourced the same way. A major source of grains used in pet food is from grain that was too heavily rodent contaminated to pass muster for human use and/or grains that were exposed to excess moisture and molded! Some waste processors (i.e. landfills) sort food waste out and send that to processors to be used in pet foods! Your lack of knowledge is appalling!
IF (and only if) contaminated gluten is the culprit; It'll turn out to be (as I already said) outdated product that was moldy or it'll be stuff that couldn't be used for humans due to other contamination from something like a hydraulic line rupturing and blowing hydraulic oil into the product!

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I made some calls to folks I know to see what kind of background info they could give me about this recall. This can't be considered fact and is *strictly* rumor but Menu foods was getting much of their raw material from MGP and Puratone instead of larger companies like ADM. They supposedly had gotten a good deal on excess 'leftover' gluten from Permolex and thats where the problem possibly came from. NONE of those companies has a record of supplying sub-standard products but the *rumor* is that they got a 'one shot' deal for a large quantity of gluten and had piles of the stuff just laying around. Menu has an industry reputation of cutting corners and lax quality control; this would be consistent with not taking adequate step to prevent contamination and then using contaminated product instead of trashing it.
Time will tell if these rumors are true or not but there's NO link between them and human grade food suppliers!

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NG, thanks for the compliment! FYI, I rarely buy prepared gluten since it's too easy to make my own and since I save the starch I don't need to buy that either.

Beebs, Am I an opinionated old cuss? You bet!! I'm proud to be one too! I notice that you didn't refute *anything* I posted about the recall or gluten but instead chose a 3 letter profanity as the centerpiece of your response. Let's turn things around a little; what if the recall was initially blamed on raw milk? Would you have asked either of your two questions on the topic in this section? Why do I say you have no credibility left? Simply because you change your life and diet depending on how the wind blows. You used to speak of how you couldn't ever be a vegetarian because you liked fish too much; when you caught flak over that it was for family and then due to doctors instructions. When you caught flak over dairy, suddenly Abigail came into the picture! Lately you've even started claiming a vegan lifestyle here, whilst elsewhere you yammer about how good raw milk is! You keep screaming about trans-genic soy and ignore that there is little in production. Have you ever seen me say anything about cows having human genes so don't drink milk? I could do something that sleazy because it's true that there are trans-genic cattle producing milk. Howabout something along the lines of "Cattle have had human genes put into them to produce human hormones and human proteins. All milk produced in the US has hormones and protein." I don't do that because it's a typical sleazy scare tactic that uses two different truths to form a lie. Does that line look anything like what you read about soybeans having scorpion venom? Bet it does!

That's just a small sample of why I say you've lost it and have no credibility. Constantly shifting opinions and citing shady data add up to lack of credibility!

Oh yes, if you ever need help with your mortgage feel free to ask. I regularly help folks out with their grocery, water, lights and other bills. I may be an opinionated *** but I'm a generous one!

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The recall is going to be blamed on poisons used on chinese wheat that was used to produce the gluten!

Answer 2

As someone that isn't even vegetarian or vegan and only comes to this section to see if there are any good insights on food and possible ways to fix them in a healthy way - I have to say that this particular part of Yahoo has a fair share of - shall I say 'colorful people'.

While I do not always agree with everything that Greenghost's puts out on here (anyone for that matter) - I find Beeb's that your questions and comments are at loggerheads with each other more often than not. You contradict yourself. You change your supposed view to suit the topic of the moment.

It is for that reason that I take your view about gluten not serious at all. One minute your vegan. Then your vegetarian. Then over in another area your eating crab legs. You then go on about scorpion venom when anything is mentioned about soy.

I mean - have you really gone thru your comments about all the places that you claim to live - from North Carolina to Florida - to.... point is - you want to be taken seriously, try being truthful and serious.

You evidently didn't even know that there are different quality levels in gluten from industrial to human consumption. To compare commercial dog food to what a human is eating - more than a STRETCH to say the least.......

BTW - as someone with experience on a farm - cows quit giving milk a few months after a calf quits feeding off its mother. How long has that cow of yours been giving milk now??

Answer 3

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Answer 4

Gluten is found is thousands of foods like pasta, bread, cereals etc. which I do not plan to avoid.

I came back to add something after doing some research after reading other posts. I don't like to take the word of others without seeing things for myself.

You do consistently contradict yourself. You direct people to links about animal cruelty and pretend to be vegetarian and then as stated below, ask about fish recipes.

Trust me, my wheat gluten is much safer then your fish.

Answer 5

I second and support GreenGhost's answer ( aside from the personal attack, because I no nothing about that).

Edit: I retract my above statement in quotes. After doing my own research the comments made my GreenGhost were not only accurate, but relevant. Beebs, I suggest you argue the facts, as GreenGhost has pointed out you have yet to address any of the compelling points he made.

Answer 6

That particular wheat gluten most defininitly NOT for human consumption.

It is from a strictly pet food manufacturer using grains substandard to humans.

Answer 7

Well, it's just a suspected source at this point. I understand your caution, but I wouldn't start yelling the sky is falling just yet.

I've not found any articles that link any human food manufacturers with Menu Foods.

Answer 8

Wasn't it rat poison they found in the pet food? Sorry, beebs, that what I understood, and that it is not sure how the rat poison got into the food.

Answer 9

not true, the toxin involved is fungal, it is very unlikely to appear in human food, food safety practices make it very unlikely that so easily detectable a toxin would get into human food.

Answer 10

Hmmm, Wheat Gluten is in Dry Pet Food and my dog is not dead, and I just some Soy Chicken today and I am fine, Thanks but I think you are sending out a false alarm.