This is for all you people who say that Mormon doctrine is wrong and is not in line with the bible.?

Question

Revelation

Chapter 2 Rev. beginning summary of chapter.

He that overcomes shall gain eternal life, avoid the second death, inherit the CELESTIAL kingdom and rule many kingdom's.

If Mormon's are so off then why in the very bible doe's it say that you will rule many kingdom's? Doe's that infer that you could become a GOD maybe?

Why would revelation refer to a Celestial kingdom- Celestial kingdom would mean a higher kingdom? So there must be lower.

If this means something different please let me know? But I think it is very clear what it means.

Answer 1

After reading all the responses to this, I marvel at how ignorant some people are about what Mormons believe, and like being ignorant. And want others to be as ignorant as they are. I gave a thumbs down to those I'm talking about.

Answer 2

G2032 ἐπουράνιος epouranios : in the sky heavenly from God
Last time I checked, the Mormons were using a King James Version. According to the concordances I own, there are only two uses of the word translated "Celestial" in the King James Version. In Revelation 2 there was wasn't a word translated as 'celestial'.

And as you see, the word isn't lending itself to a meaning that includes 'a higher kingdom'. So if I had to, I could make up a meaning of that word to mean 'a higher kingdom' but that would be spurious, wouldn't it?

I would recommend that you let go of the idea that the Bible can be explained completely by reading an English translation. Perhaps you have reached the point where a concordance (I prefer Strong's ) and Vine's Expository Dictionary in order to better understand what is actually written.

Remember the bottom line; It's all about Jesus. You have to trust Jesus.

Answer 3

That is not in line with the Bible. You don't have to be a God to rule a kingdom. So why does the fact that there is a celestial kingdom and and a lower kingdom make mormonism right or in line with the Bible?

Answer 4

I'm not too familiar with Mormonism but I just wanted to say that a "celestial kingdom" doesn't necessarily mean "higher kingdom". Celestial just means it pertains to the sky or heavens The so-called "lower kingdom" is Earth or Hell. I don't know if this is out of the mormon bible or not but I had always assumed that was how the christians thought too. :\

Answer 5

I don't know where you are quoting from, but there is no such passage as that in Revelation Chapter 2, other than the "He that overcomes" part.
For your consideration, I suggest you read Galatians chapter 1:6-9, where Paul actually pronounces a curse against anyone, including an angel, who would bring a gospel different than the gospel that Paul proclaimed. Mormonism is clearly not the gospel that Paul proclaimed.
Then consider II Corinthians where Paul warns about those coming with a "another Jesus" and a different spirit, and a different gospel - and then goes on to explain these as servants of Satan.
(II Corinthians 11:4-15)
I suggest you do a little unbiased research yourself, since it is your immortal soul which is at stake, and possibly the souls of your loved ones.

Answer 6

First of all, there's no "beginning summary" to Revelation 2. Secondly, you've either misquoted what the Bible says or your Bible misquotes it. None of the verses mentioning overcoming also mention inheriting or ruling celestial kingdoms. While it's true that certain of us will be "kings" and "judges," this is not true of all of us.

Mormons received their beliefs from an angel who appeared to Joseph Smith, right? And the beliefs you practice weren't known before that, right? Then you should heed Paul's strong admonition to the Galatians in Chapter 1:

6 "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, OR AN ANGEL from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, LET HIM BE ACCURSED. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed."

So there you have it. By the Apostle Paul's own words, the Mormons are following a false gospel. Please get out of that cult as fast as you can -- time is truly short.

Answer 7

This is a classic example of why people disagree with Mormon doctrine. Just because someone reads a couple words somewhere in some obscure translation of the Bible, Mormons think they can make a doctrine of it. It's incredibly ambiguous to make ANY kind of doctine based solely on an apocolyptic writing like Revelation.

Answer 8

I'm not sure which version you are reading, but my nasb( a transliteration) doesn't say celestial kingdom. It says "to him I will give authority over the Nations (Gentiles). No mention of any celestial kingdoms. Sounds like someone has changed some words to twist the scriptures to suit his beliefs.

Answer 9

It says nothing about inheriting any "Celestial kingdom"
To the Church at Ephesus HE said that HE would give to the overcomers to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of GOD.
To the Church at Smyrna HE said that the overcomers would not be hurt by the second death.
To the Church at Pergamos HE said HE would to the overcomers give to eat of the hidden manna and a white stone with a new name on it.
To the Church at Thyatira HE said that the overcomers will be given power over nations (not other worlds)
To the Church at Sardis HE said the overcomers would walk with HIM and be clothed in white rainment and their names would not be blotted out of the book of life but that HE(Jesus) would confess their names before GOD and HIS angles.
To the Church at Philadelphia HE said that HE would make the overcomer a pillar in the temple of GOD, which is the New Jerusalem and that HE would write HIS new name on them.
To the Church at Laodicea HE said that to the overcomer HE would grant to sit with HIM in HIS throne. (Jesus' throne)
Now I do not see anything in there about becoming gods in any way. You are deceived and deceiving.

Answer 10

Hmmm... what version of the Bible are you quoting? I can't find your version of this verse in any of the good translations out there. Are you using a Mormon issue Bible? I know that many cults, like the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses, will add phrases to the original Scriptures to make it say what they want it to say. Either you've quoted from a cult version or you've taken this verse out of context.