God vs omnipotence paradox?

Question

Could this be true? That if God is all power-full, he should be able to create a rock that is so heavy, he himself cannot lift? If he cannot create such a rock, does this mean he is not all-powerful for he should have the ability to do so? If he could create such a rock, then would that mean he is not all-powerful? If either case is true, then God is not what many claim him to be; an all-powerful being. Has anyone an argument that can counter this concept?

In either case, believing this concept is appealing to your statement, limitation of the intelligence, and denying it, once more is limiting oneself in believing something that cannot be proven (jumping into conclusion so to speak). This concept is quite legit all around, for it makes quite a bit of sense. Only reason it stands out as a paradox is that many believe God is true. Obviously something has to be the case, God is either not all-powerful, he is all-powerful, or this concept is not at all true, which in case the premises behind such a concept remains... for they seem legit.

Answer 1

You can't do better than that, can you? Paradoxs are a construct of the human limited intelligence. They do not define truth they only demonstrate our limited ability to accept it.

Answer 2

There are a number of things which God cannot do, and which are not the subject of omnipotence. I take it that God is rational and is constrained by that rationality --which BTW is not discursive in nature. So, the assertion that "...he should be able to create a rock that is so heavy, he himself cannot lift" has no logical bearing. There is no algebraic solution to the general quintic (ax^5 + bx^4 +cx^3 + dx^2 + ex + f = 0). God might happen to know what the solution is for any particular quintic but it won't stem from a general algebraic one. So, the fact that God is bound by rationality says something which constrains *any* notion of God.

This places a restriction on conversations about God as well. Christians who don't get this point make as little sense as this very question does.

HTH

Charles

[Late Edit]
Your final edit doesn't help, either. It is poor reasoning style to develop a straw concept, know it down, and then assert that it is the concept used when others for it has bearing use it. You concept of omnipotence is just as defective as those hold that the powers of God are unlimited.

HTH

Charles

Answer 3

Your premis SEEMS legit, except for the word omnipotence. God's omnipotence doesn't mean he's stupid. God won't do anything against his character, such as creating something greater than Himself. It would be self-defeating, and therefore, not something God would do, whether He's capable of it or not.

Just remember, God escaped death itself. I think that's quite a bit more important than making a rock.

Answer 4

Thank you for posting this argument. No matter how many times I must do so, I LOVE disproving it!

:)

The 'rock so big he can't move it' paradox is built on a logical fallacy known as the 'false premises' fallacy, in which the arguement is based on two contradicting ideas.

For example, you can't say that 2 + 2 does and does not equal 4, or that God both exists and does not exist.

This argument is completely debunked, although I encourage you to keep trying. If you have any questions, contancts me a '[e-mail]'

Answer 5

The philosophical rationale is that a supreme being, God, cannot act in an illogical manner with respect to that being's divine and perfect attributes. Hence, God cannot make a rock so big that He could not move it, nor could God do anything that would be a logical contradiction to His divine nature.

Omnipotence means God can do everything **that is possible** within the boundaries of a supreme being. Omnipotence doesn’t mean that God can do anything. The concept of omnipotence has to do with power, not ability per se. In fact, there are many things God can’t do, for example,

- God can’t make square circles.

- God cannot lie.

- What God has created in His image, God cannot annihilate (to erase from existence, to destroy completely).

-**God cannot create a morally free creature that couldn’t choose evil or the creature would not be morally free to choose.**

None of these, though, have to do with power. Instead, they are logically contradictory, and therefore contrary to God’s rational nature.

See also:
"Whatever implies being and nonbeing simultaneously is incompatible with the absolute possibility which falls under divine omnipotence. Such a contradiction is not subject to it, not from any impotence in God, but because it simply does not have the nature of being feasible or possible. Whatever, then, does not involve a contradiction is in the realm of the possible with respect to which God is omnipotent. Whatever involves a contradiction is not within the scope of omnipotence because it cannot qualify for possibility. Better, however, to say that it cannot be done, rather than God cannot do it." (T. Aquinas Summa Theologica p. 163-164 , Volume I, ques. 15 ans. 3)

One needs to have a formal knowledge of philosophy and logic to understand the nature of omnipotence. Just claiming Go is all powerful so he can do anything is nonsensical to the trained person. Here are some references for your further study:

Omnipotence:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/omnipotence/

Omnipresence:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/omnipresence/

The Problem of Evil:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/

Epistemology of Religion:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/religion-epistemology/

Pascal’s Wager:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/

Ontology:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-ontology/

Answer 6

Omnipotence is a paradox in and of itself. There are limits to everything, and there can be no omnipotent being, just like there can be no universal solvent, what would you put it in. There is no counter, they usually just say God cannot be questioned or limited. Good luck.

Answer 7

If with the help of "genuine" loose will you mean that a guy or woman is loose to be sure their life and the strategies they're going to ought to make, you're maximum superb in asserting that there is not any loose will of that kind right here in the international. this is like in case you have some fish in a fish tank at your place. they're loose to swim in the confines of that tank yet they're going to in elementary terms receive foodstuff once you supply it, they gained't bump into the different fish different than those you put in the tank, they might't set the temperature to what they might desire, etc... additionally, this is like in case you have been enjoying chess and your opponent might desire to no longer in elementary terms be attentive to the way you will possibly respond to each flow he made yet he may additionally visualize the excellent interest from commencing as much as end. And so while you would be loose to realize out and flow the products everywhere you had to, each and every flow which you made might have already been planned with the help of your opponent so as that even although he wasn't promptly on top of problems with you, in case you have been a marionette with strings directing your strikes they may be the comparable because of the fact those you "chosen" to make. yet that would not negate which you rather do make options for which you're to blame. a technique or the different the God who set the planets in orbit around the celebrities and the electrons in orbit around the protons and who's well-known with each and every hair on each and every persons head is inflicting all issues to artwork out in accordance to his regular will for his introduction. that does no longer mean that it rather is in His will for persons to sin, it merely skill that for the duration of a plan it is so some distance previous our comprehension that this is like an ant attempting to comprehend the layout of a nuclear reactor, He has made allowances for all the undesirable issues that ensue right here in the international.

Answer 8

God can do anything that can be done. This is an arguement that makes no sense, since this cannot be done. It is self defeating either way you go. It is designed to confuse, and is utter nonsense.

Answer 9

I think you best stop taking theology lessons from comedians and look to the Bible. The Bible teaches that, with God, all things are possible. It's that simple.

Answer 10

The paradox is only for you.

Why are you so concerned with what can not do?
Are you trying to prove God can not do something>

Soory you didn't prove anything to me.

I believe.