Why does a sacrifice save us?

Question

I'm sorry, but I asked before for a logical explanation about how God sending his son down to get nailed to a tree was supposed to save us, and all I got was a lot of stuff about how in the old testament people sacrificed lambs to God and that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice.

There was also a lot of twaddle about Adam and original sin.

There is so much evidence of the evolution of man that the idea of Adam is totally discredited.

Can someone try to give me a better and more logical explanation for how the crucifixion saves us than this silly stuff about sacrificing sheep.

Answer 1

lol...you asked for a logical explanation, now you'll get things like "look at the sun...it's proof." I bet you those idiot fundies actually have looked at the sun...

Answer 2

I actually was going to talk about moving a runner into scoring position, but thought better of it since I think I can answer your question from the traditional Christian viewpoint.

Firstly, you have to accept the concept of God's original covenant with the Hebrews to understand where we're going. To paraphrase things, God said I will protect you as a people if you will obey my commandments. That was the deal, the contract if you will. Now we're not just talking about the 10 commandments, we're talking about every thing from processing meat to removing milldew stains.

Well, the Hebrews did a lousy job keeping up their end of the deal, and the Assyrians took out the northern tribes, and eventually the Babylonians took Jerusalem and shipped out most of the Jews and destroyed the temple. About 70 years later Cyrus became King in Babylon, and since he was a good guy, he let the jews move back to Jerusalem if they wanted to, and let them have autonomy.
The problem still existed though, the jews corporately and individually just couldn't meet the demands of the original covenant. So, enter the new covenant, Jesus Christ and the atonement.

God sent his Son into the world not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. Christ came to earth, related the true nature of God to mankind, that God loves us, and then in the ultimate atonement took on the world's default in the original covenant and was crucified, absolving all of that default then or thereafter.

Today any default in that original covenant with man, is absolved by grace, all that is required is that the grace be accepted through faith in Jesus Christ.

Why logically, does it make sense to happen that way, I can't answer that.

Answer 3

In your post I read such words as stuff, twaddle, and more silly stuff. I also read that "the idea of Adam is totally discredited." I don't think a logical explanation will satisfy you.

Hannah J Paul

Answer 4

1) Well there is really no point in throwing pearls before the swine if you don't believe in God. The logical answer to your questions depends upon the worldview/belief system that you adhere to, so not believing in God has its own logical ramifications to which answering your question is pointless, unless you begin to believe in God.

2) Do you believe in good and evil? If not, then there really is no point in answering your question. You are just a mere product of chance fighting to carry on your genes to the next generation. Evil and good don't exist, so guilt and a clear conscience don't exist either, so there would be no need for sacrifice for you then.

Answer 5

What kind of answer are you looking for then? Your heart is set on hating whatever comes from the Bible. Why do you then ask this question? Logic is what man can see, God is God, His ways are too advanced for our minds so He does not go on logic. Can you give a logical answer on why we know what love is, but cannot physically see it? Or why we can feel the wind but cannot physically see it? These are spritual things, you cannot understand if your heart is hardened. Step away from your thirst for useless scientifical knowledge.

Answer 6

If Jesus' death were simply a tragic event that ended the life of an ordinary man, then you would be right—it wouldn't make much difference to us today.

But what if Jesus was more than a mere man? What if He was actually who the Bible says He is—the divine Son of God, sent from heaven to save us from our sins? What if His death wasn't simply a tragic accident but part of God's eternal plan to make possible our salvation? I think you'd agree that that would make all the difference.

And that is exactly what happened when Jesus died on the cross. Yes, from a human point of view Jesus' death was simply another tragedy—but from God's point of view it accomplished far more than we could ever imagine. The Bible puts it this way: "This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge" (Acts 2:23). In God's plan, by His death on the cross Jesus became the full and final sacrifice for our sins.

Just as the men who signed our nation's Declaration of Independence over 200 years ago accomplished something that is still with us, so—in a far greater way—what Jesus did on the cross 2,000 years ago is still with us. Why did He die? He died because God loves us and He wants us to spend eternity with Him in heaven. Don't turn away from Him, but by faith ask Christ to come into your life today—and He will.

Answer 7

The truth has been told to you already. You believe in the evidence of evolution and say that Adam is totally discredited and that original sin is twaddle.
The truth has already been told to you and you are dismissing it, you've already chosen what you believe. Everyone has this choice-to choose what they believe.

Answer 8

There is a real resposibility to God for sin. He is a God of love and righteousness. We were created for a love relationship with Him. We were also created as creatures who can choose. We choose poorly and became sinners against God. As God is eternal and we are created to never die, the sin is eternal. Since God created us and we went wrong even though He doesn't have to He loves us so much as the crown jewel of creation, He takes the responsibility of our sin upon Himself. He made us only He can fix us. Please don't ask why He doesn't just wave His hand and magically fix everything, the method He chose is the one we have. It's like when somebody builds something that breaks and no one else can figure out how to fix it, you have to go to the builder who started the thing to begin with, just like the movie "Space Cowboys".

Answer 9

When Christ died on the cross, he not only suffered physical death but eternal death. He was the perfect substitute for my sins which means that if Jesus died for me he paid the price for my sins by spending an eternity under God's wrath for all the sins I would commit from birth to death. Not only did he do that for me but he did that for everyone else he came to save by being punished eternally for their sins as well. How he did this in such a limited time is a mystery we cannot understand. God is perfectly just and righteous. There is no sin ever committed in the history of this universe that goes unpunished. All sins *must* be accounted for and so either Jesus paid for my sins or I must eventually pay for them after Judgment Day comes.

Answer 10

it doesn't. in fact, that attempt at logic is one of the fatal flaws in the bible.

if it was truly a "sacrifice" or "jesus giving his life" then it was suicide.

if it wasn't suicide, but murder, then it wasn't willing on his part (if it was, then he was like "stepping in front of a bus" -- or, again, back to the suicide thing...and suicide is a Sin. Whoops!!). if it was murder, and it wasn't willing, then there was no willing sacrifice.

also, as the knowing son of god, he knew he woudl be going ot heaven anyway, to a reward, and there is no sacrifice anyway, if you know that's where your headed. the body is meaningless compared to the spirit in heaven. and by the NT, jesus knew that was the outcome, so there is no sacrifice of ANYTHING.