Does "global warming" apply to Mars, Jupiter etc?

Question

http://www.livescience.com/environment/070312_solarsys_warming.html

For years, we have been noticing Mars and other planets warming up too. Did we send some humvees to Mars?

I am a scientist myself so don't waste your typing (or more likely, cutting and pasting) of global warming hype. I have read it all before.

The "noise" in support of human-caused global warming is louder than ever. The "science" behind it is getting thinner all the time, however. The better and more complete the data gets, the more it falls apart.

btw I do not advocate trashing our planet. But I also don't advocate change through uninformed panic.

Answer 1

I like it....someone else with a brain. Why does everyone always go for the hype instead of doing research into the science?

Answer 2

Interesting site. But I notice you included Jupiter in your question. Jupiter was not included in the discussion on the site. That is because Jupiter radiates more heat than it receives from the Sun, so solar warming is a minor factor on that planet. You should have known that.

The science behind global warming on Earth is not getting thinner. It is getting thicker. Are you are being economical with the facts for political reasons?.

While there is little direct evidence of a cause and effect, three facts remain -

1. The Earth is getting warmer, at least over the past few decades. A cooler than average winter in the northeastern USA does not militate against that. It is weather, not climate, and the n-e USA is not the world.

2. The atmosphere is accumulating carbon dioxide. In the mid or early 1960s the atmosphere contained about 300ppm. By 1976 it was about 320ppm, a fact which I measured myself using a Carle 311M gas chromatograph fitted with a catalytic converter to turn CO2 to methane and measure it in a flame ionisation detector. This was an average over three days using air taken on the windward side of an Australian country town. In the 1980s I used the same instrument and techniques to get a reading of 345ppm, sampling from the same location. This reading was confirmed by telephone with the Cape Grim Baseline Monitoring Station in north western Tasmania. It is now about 385ppm according to some recent reports.

3. It is a fact of physics that carbon dioxide is a good absorber of long wavelength infra-red radiation of the kind emitted by warm objects, such as soil and rocks heated by the sun.

Thus it is probable that the atmosphere and the rest of the planet are being warmed by extra absorption because of extra carbon dioxide. There is a perfectly logical connection between the three facts which was first noticed by Nobel prize-winner Svante Arrhenius in 1896, though his observation was forgotten until about 1950 when it was put on a sounder basis.

The arguments that humans are not responsible for global warming through production of CO2 may be sound but they are of the same kind used to oppose the development of sewer systems in London and elsewhere in the 19th century. The same kind of arguments opposed the anti-pollution measures of the 1960s and 1970s. They were wrong then. And they came from the same kind of people, big business.

Answer 3

Theoretically, of course it does. If there is data over a period of time showing a warming trend then obviously there is some global warming on that planet.

Finding the cause to explain the effect would take some good solid science and evidence and should be quite informative and possibly useful on other planets as well.

As the article points out, the big question is what causes result in what percentage of the measured effects and what other contributing causes there are.

Getting finite answers in those areas is a critical issue for dealing with the question here on earth rationally.

Answer 4

Global warming applies to all planets, as the sun is passing through certain phases (cycles) every few thousand years (11,000 years i think), emitting more or less energy and thus heating more or less each planet.
Also, the other planets have a different revolution time (Jupiter's is almost 12 years) and their orbit are nor circular but elliptical, so during certain years, they can be closer or farther from the sun, thus the the light (and heat) received is different each terrestial year.
The natural causes of global warmings/coolings happen on a very small scale, and it takes a very long time for the effects to be seen. Our planet has passed through multiple ice ages during the last 100,000 years, but the warming/cooling periods took hundreds or thousands of years, giving time to living organisms to evolve and adapt to the changes. Unfortunately, today on Earth, the natural causes of global warming are accelerated by the green house effect (CO2 emmisions and destruction of forests). In the end, who cares about global warming on Jupiter or Mars ? 200 degrees more or less on other planets do not concern us since we don't live there. But 20 degrees more or less here on Earth in only a few years can cause the end of mankind. Sadly, that's what we fail to understand.

Answer 5

Solar radiation has increased somewhat, so all planets are warming a bit. But you're very wrong about what the data says. It says man caused warming on Earth is far greater than increased solar radiation. And that the warming on Earth is greater and far more rapid than on other planets.

No hype here, just mountains of solid, peer reviewed scientific data.

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

Increased solar radiation on Earth is 0.12 watts per meter squared (page 4). Increased warming due to man is 1.6 watts per meter squared, more than ten times as much.

You're a scientist. Did you honestly think professional climatologists wouldn't consider this stuff in their analyses? They'd be laughed out of their jobs if they ignored it.

The very website you cited says it right:

"While evidence suggests fluctuations in solar activity can affect climate on Earth, and that it has done so in the past, the majority of climate scientists and astrophysicists agree that the sun is not to blame for the current and historically sudden uptick in global temperatures on Earth, which seems to be mostly a mess created by our own species."

The vast majority of scientists believe in global warming. Hard data on that here:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

The scientists don't use hype (note that Gore is not a scientist). Hype would more properly be a term applied to the deniers, who use arguments that are completely discredited by data. Like "volcanoes are responsible". The "Swindle" movie cited above actually trotted that bit of nonsense out, among others. Data on that:

http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/climate_effects.html

You're right to focus on data. A mountain of it says global warming is real. One last tidbit:

http://scrippsco2.ucsd.edu/graphics_gallery/mauna_loa_record/mlo_record.html

The tiny teeth are plants doing their thing, part of the natural carbon cycle. The big surge up is us burning fossil fuels. The natural cycle is a delicate balance and we're messing it up by digging up carbon the natural cycle buried over thousands of years and burning it, real fast.

By all means look at the data, not hype. Please. If everyone did that, there's be a lot less silly stuff here. More data here:

http://www.realclimate.org/

http://www.pewclimate.org/

Answer 6

Al Gore is a retard. the completed universe is warming up on the comparable fee as Earth. i do no longer keep in mind people having plenty to do with the various ice an prolonged time Earth had over the years the two. Face it temperatures circulate in cycles. international cooling because of the fact the pollution in the 70s became out to be a gaggle of BS in basic terms like international warming because of the fact of pollution now's BS.

Answer 7

If other planets are warming too, it just lends more credence that its the sun, not the effects of human induced carbon... I think global warming (or the fact that humans have anything to do with it is a farce) Check out this movie..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831&q=global+warming

Answer 8

only if it happens globally

by the way, global warming here has been going on since the end of the last ice age.

It's a little like the dog in the forest: How far can he run in? half way, after that, he's running out!

Answer 9

Sure gloabal wamring happens naturally. However, we are speeding up the process.

Answer 10

i guess not we are in earth u know magic cloud umm... og yeah air blanket or air sheild around the earth that cuases globl warming because the air is running out and in mars , jupiter, etc they dont have air so nope