Along with the Roman historian, Josephus. Why would four disagreeable groups all testify to the arrival of a man called Jesus of Nazareth?
2007-03-09
16:56:55
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hansel (below) the Torah fortold of his coming. The Isarelites do not agree that the Jesus they met was the fortold messiah. They believe he was another prophet and nothing more.
2007-03-09
17:03:32 ·
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aanang (below) How could books written hundreds of years BEFORE the Koran (which was written in 650 AD) have referred to the Koran which was not yet written?
2007-03-09
17:04:53 ·
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mormof (below) The New Testiment continues on where the Torah ends. How are these the same book?
Why discount Josephus just because he is a third party validator of events he witnessed just after Jesus death? (Roman invasion of Judea and such)
2007-03-09
17:07:33 ·
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The Infamous Vinnie (below) You at least speak historical accuracy far more than others who agree with your line of reasoning.
Although we disagree, I commend you for that.
2007-03-09
17:10:48 ·
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The Torah does not mention Jesus. It could not. It was written before he was born. The Koran mentions mentions Jesus because it was copied from the bible. Josephus did not write while Jesus was alive. He talks about Christians not Jesus. Other Jewish historians who were writting while Jesus was alive do not mention him.
2007-03-09 17:03:58
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answered by October 7
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First, the Torah, is the old testament of the Bible, second is the koran shares the first 5 books of the torah. to answer ur question. Jesus did truthy live and they all account the same facts the death burial and the resurrection, and even the accsending to Heaven, while the Torah, prophet tell of this, book of psalms, minor prophet, danial, ect..., the disagreement comes to, was Jesus the Messiah, or God, the Jews believe not, because they were looking for political freedom, which is still coming, found in the last 4 books of OT, the Muslims only saw Jesus as a prophet becasue the end of the world did not come, Christians look at all the prophecies as a whole in the OT or Torah for the whole, not just for there group, they should not, some do. So i hope i helped. josh
2007-03-09 17:11:17
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answered by Anonymous
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The Torah is part of what Christians consider The Bible and it's strictly Old Testament. There's no mention of Jesus by name there. But yes, the Koran, the books of the New Testament, and Josephus all agree that Jesus existed. Jesus was a historical figure. He existed, lived a life and died a death as a real person and not a myth or legend.
2007-03-09 17:03:51
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answered by Tina H 1
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As I understand it, the Torah is basically the Old Testament of the Bible and is also the basis of the Koran. These three religions are basically the same in origin.
As for the Roman historian, seems to me that if some upstart whaco tried to set up some new sect or such that said his Dad was the real boss and the Roman Emperor wasn't that'd get the attention of a few folks. Even if He really was the Son of God and Man, they wouldn't believe it, but they'd likely comment on it on their version of the evening news.
2007-03-09 17:08:40
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answered by Sulkahlee 3
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Because Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same god, Jehova. And the Christians derived the origin myths of their religion from the Jews, and the Muslims derived their origin myths from both Christians and Jews. That's why both Christians and Muslims believe in Jesus (but in a different way).
Also, there was a historical Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth, who did lead an opposition movement to the Roman occupation of Judea in the first century, and who did get executed for his activism against the Romans. After he died, his followers built a religion around his martyrdom (and they added on a lot of myths to the facts of his life and death).
2007-03-09 17:06:06
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answered by Anonymous
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All of the other beliefs, apart from Christianity, limit the role Jesus fulfilled both, here on the earth and currently, at the right Hand of God, the Father.
Even, the Roman historians documented the character of Jesus Christ but didn't have an inkling of a clue, as to Who He really was, His purpose for being here on the earth, nor the role He would play both, currently and later, at His return to this earth.
2007-03-09 17:05:35
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answered by guraqt2me 7
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So yo uare saying the majority is always right? How's flat Earth? Accounts that old, are hardly credible, especially from religious texts. Also, the Torah is the first 5 books of the OT, which is before Jesus, so it doesn't agree. The only one close to credible is the historian.
2007-03-09 17:04:37
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answered by Anonymous
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Those three happen to be the same book with editorial freedoms exercised. As for Josephus, he isn't a historian as we would think of one. At that time, people didn't separate their beliefs from their writings the way our modern scientists, historians, and social scientits do now. He wrote a biased history. What that means, is that all three sources are the same source, and Josephus based his writings largely on the accounts given him by believers. Thanks for playing, come again another day.
2007-03-09 17:02:21
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answered by Huggles-the-wise 5
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The Josephus quote is most likely a forgery, it does not follow in his normal writing style in the original language. The only way that jesus is found in the OT is if you work hard to try to match random unrelated, and often mistranslated, snippets together, after taking them out of context.
2007-03-09 17:55:38
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answered by XX 6
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I didn't know that Jesus was in the Torah.
The references to Christ by Josephus are widely considered to be fake (the fact that a Jew calls Christ the 'Messiah' should be a tip-off).
The Quran uses the Bible as a source, so it's not suprising that stories in one should appear in the other too.
2007-03-09 17:03:44
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answered by Anonymous
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