OK - not following the logic here?

Question

Christians say that God is the creator, and atheists ask "then who created God?" We say God is preexistant and had no creator, and we're mocked as idiots. Then we get a question asking why we have to believe that everything has a creator, and it gets responses like

" It's a simplistic, anthropomorphic view of reality. Intellectual laziness, if you like"

So, it seems that we're wrong for believing something could exist without a creator yet we're intellectually lazy for not believing something could exist without a creator. Perhaps I'm too intellectually lazy to understand this, but it seems contradictory. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Well, at least I got one or two actual answers to the question. Not bad out of fourteen.

Guys, I have a radical thought. Most of you seem to assume you know the Christian position. Most of you are wrong. Please consider the possibility that you're arguing with your own preconceived notions of what we believe and not what we actually believe. Try asking more honest questions and listening to the answers. Atheists are not alone in this - Christians and Muslims and pagans and, for all I know, Zoroastrians do the same thing. I promise we'll try harder, too. But every time you resort to "well, you're all just stupid" or any other third-grade taunt, you lower the level of the debate (and forgive me for abusing that word) and you cut yourself off from any chance of ever understanding someone else's point of view. I would think that would be a very sad thing.

Answer 1

i think all the childish name calling is ridiculous and everyone should have an opinion but leave it at that telling someone they are wrong for what they believe is just narrow minded

Answer 2

It's because anytime there's no pat religious answer to a real question, the fallback position is always, "that's just the way it is" or "that's how god wanted it." Which is no answer at all.

Christians often state that everything had a creator, which is god. Using the premise of that declaration (that everything has a creator), it's fair to ask who created god...when the response to this is "nobody - god has always existed," then it proves your initial statement false (that everything has a creator). Do you not see the logical fallacy? It's circular reasoning of the worst kind, and the answer given is no answer -- it resolves nothing. It's nonsense.

Finally, there is no evidence that shows *anything* had a creator. Through dedicated study and hard work, we humans have found the natural processes that gave rise to our universe, our solar system, our planet, life on our planet, and all species of life including humans. NATURAL processes -- not supernatural ones. In all of that, no "god" or "creator" is needed, nor is there any evidence to show that there is or was one. By the available evidence, the only reasonable conclusion one can reach is that there was no creator -- yet christians continue to assert there is one...not because of the evidence, not because it makes sense logically, and not because of any reason: simply because some book says so. A book containing thousands of contradictions, mistakes, outright lies, and other errors -- making it a wholly unreliable source of any information.

Your position that there is a creator -- whether anyone created HIM or not -- is not tenable. Yet you continue to take that untenable position, and in so doing contradict your own statements ("everything has a creator"). Why?

Answer 3

You are less intellectually lazy then those arguing with you. The simplest explanation is that there was a creator. All the other theories are much more complex. The big bang can be argued to support a creator. There was nothing. Then there was something. How could that have happened?

I think it is much easier to believe there was no creator than to accept the implication of what having a creator means.

They have no evidence of the big bang, we at least have a historical account of creation. Now is there a chance our account is wrong and I am willing to acknowledge that. The atheists seem to refuse to entertain the idea that our account could be correct. I think that would make them intellectually lazy.

Answer 4

The logic is the following:

Either, everything in the universe needs a creator. In this case, a god, if it existed, would also need a creator.
Or, not everything in the universe needs a creator. In this case, the universe itself does not need a creator (and therefore, no god would be needed).

The argument in this is to counter the theist's argument that the universe cannot be without a creator. If the universe cannot be without a creator, god itself also cannot be without a creator.

Or, to keep it simple: Logic and religion do not mix very well.

Answer 5

Christians say that the universe is so complex and great, that it must have a creator.

In the next breath, they say that their complex and great God does NOT need a creator.

Christians make an inconsistent argument. Do complex things need a creator, or don't they? If they DO need a creator, then something had to have created God. If they DON'T, then no God is required for the universe to exist.

Answer 6

Because someone wants to start an arguement. Christians are always viewed as weak minded and incapable of thinking for themselves, which really gets me cuz I am a Christian and I am in no way weak minded. IN fact I've met very, vey few Christians who just believe whatever they are told and don't search the Truth out for themselves in the Bible!!!

Answer 7

If you think of A. J. Ayer's view that the metaphysical, being speculative, has no place in logic, it might be helpful

We cannot prove or disprove the existence of God. Ayer was of the opinion that as much as possible, only verifiable premises ought to be employed in logical thought.

If one begins with an unverifiable assumption, one will likely end up in a logical cul de sac.

Answer 8

Is that a trick question? ignore the common sense, imagine of the logistics! reliable grief, human beings. i'm in reality affirming that the proponents of such an challenge are out of contact with reality, so there is little ponder whether their philosophy is both ridiculous.

Answer 9

When an atheist asks "then where did God come from" he or she is asking you to use YOUR OWN CONDITION (that things need creators) on YOUR OWN CONCEPT (God). Not being able to follow through, you are chastised. That's all. You are simply being inconsistent

Answer 10

"atheists ask 'then who created God?' " - Not all of us ask that. I realize that the god of the Bible is supposed to exist without any creator. In fact, the name YHWH (Yahweh or Jehovah) implies existence without the need of a creator.

What I ask for, and have yet to receive, is EVIDENCE that this (or any) creator does, or has ever, existed.
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Answer 11

You're not familiar with Occam's Razor... you make the claim that everything has a Creator, and that Creator is God. Then who created God? We ask this question because your God is an unnecessary plurality for the universe. The universe does not NEED a creator.