how is my organic fish farm harmful to the environment?

Question

i work on a crawfish farm and we use the waste water to use as fertilizer for the rice farm, we then use the rice to feed our crayfish it works both ways and this technique is used on all the fish farms listed as organic in this area, some of our old fields that were ponds are perfect area for farming and some of it used as that without the need to fertilize

our farm is ORGANIC we use no crayfish hormones, lol i would like to see them feed that anyway, we use no chemicals its all natural and on top of that they are not confined to a small area there is more than enough room its almost like the wild but it is setup to remove the predator out of the quation and to put nets down making it easy to catch them

also easier to feed and restock

asleep your link looks nothing like our ponds that was not a natural setup our is

lol yea ok animal lover

well your right animal lover i dont own the farm i just work on it

we call them mud bugs,crawfish,crawdads people up north call them crayfish

no we dont use any kind of chemicals but not sure if the rice farmer does, he sells some of his rice not all to us, but crawfish or a hearty animal its not like fish stocks were they are stuck together, there is however a disease they can get and they call it the crawfish plauge here, i think it is from some type of fungus but im not sure

my point is nothing is healthy for the enviroment not even your organic plant farms

lol we dont cook the rice for them and they do happen to love the stuff, they are vegetarians and meat eaters they are sort of like a crab, eat just about anything. i live in southeast texas near beaumont, i have never heard of them feeding on any crawfish farm nothing but rice it is cheap down here and i could careless if they have a balanced diet, this is not my point

beebs i dont work there during the winter i think nobody does its a seasonal thing

Answer 1

ROFLMAO!!!

Man 'o man! Are you ever full of it!!! If you live near Beaumont it's got to be Vidor! And if you *ever* worked on a crawdad farm you sure weren't paying attention to how it really works either! Matter of fact, there Is NO chance you're from that area unless you're a city slicker. There's just WAY too much wrong with what you're posting!!

Just so you know I grew up in that general area and relatives own farms in Orange, Liberty and Chambers counties. You know that huge rice farm near Sour Lake off 105? Ours! You might notice that they flood the fields during the winter. That's because they keep crawdads also!! It's a nice supplement to the main crop of rice and makes use of the land when it'd otherwise be fallow.

CRAWDADS DON'T EAT RICE!!!! That has got to rank as one of the dumbest troll things you've EVER said here! I laughed for almost 20 minutes after reading that!! Crawdads eat the decayed stalks of the rice plant along with the algae, bugs, tadpoles and whatever other small critters they can latch onto. Just to help you understand how crawdads are really farmed here's a BUNCH of links I dug up just to make sure some *fool* wasn't actually feeding them grains of rice.
http://efotg.nrcs.usda.gov/references/public/AL/G21ManagingCrawfishPonds.pdf
https://www.haworthpress.com/store/ArticleAbstract.asp?sid=G9R0B2QGK38S9PGJVEQR23TMKDNT1VB4&ID=47306
http://www.texascrawfish.com/process/prep.html
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/chowan/pubs/CrawfishManual/Flooding.html

Do you see anyone feeding rice to crawdads? Nope!

Crawdad plague? In Texas??? Nah! Texas crawdads aren't bothered by it! It's only a problem when you send live ones to other parts of the world where the native ones aren't resistant to it. I called my grand-nephew just to make sure I was right about that and he confirmed it! That's why they grow native crawdads instead of trying to import weird foreign ones! The native crawdads don't have any disease problems! The biggest problem they have is the same as for rice, keeping the birds from eating the crop!

No one works there during the winter?? They've been harvesting crawdads since January! Matter of fact, they're finishing the harvest this weekend so that they can get the fields ready to grow rice during the summer!

You accidentally got a few things right. There's no such thing as crawdad hormones, there's also no such thing as crawdad feed, although I'm sure Ralston-Purina is trying to figure out a way to get doofs to waste money on something like that.

I suppose you could call the crawdad part of the year organic but as I started to type this I called nephew back and asked about it. There's no federal statute that allows use of the label towards crawdads. They do use sprays during the rice part of the year to control weeds and borers (insects) along with standard NPK fertilizer. They looked at converting some of the rice acreage to organic but it's not practical there due to too many natural rice diseases/pests in that region.

You want an environmental problem from crawdad farming? When they drain the fields next week they'll have TCEQ folks there to monitor the water they dump! Why? If they dump it too quick they can kill Pine Bayou from all that stagnant water! The water gets tested on Monday to see how quickly they can empty the fields. Knowing how crappy Texas is with environmental regulations it surprised me that they'd have to go through that, especially considering how much junk all the chemical plants around there get away with!

I can forgive the ignorance of those who answered you since they're just trying to respond to your idiocy. Your ignorance is a whole 'nuther matter. After all, you're the fool who brought the topic up!

Edit:

One other thing. If you really are somewhere in that part of Texas I can be there in less than 15 hours! That way you can actually prove this weird crawdad farm really exists!

Answer 2

Where do you live with a "crawfish farm" and a "rice farm" next to each other? And why do you ask, did anybody doubt it wasn't organic and harmful to the environment if you say so?
What kind of "waste water" does a so-called "crawfish" farm have?? Just asking..
And then the fish eat the rice? Cooked or raw? You could let the fish swim in the rice field, that would even be more organic. How handy and practical this all appears to be. Good for you.

Answer 3

I'm really not sure what your point is. Even if your Craw fish farm is not harming the environment, animal agriculture as a whole still is. the fact that the little farm you work on does not harm anything may help you sleep better at night but in the end it says nothing of the destruction animal agriculture causes.

Edit: Ok, point taken human food will come at some cost to the environment. That's not the problem per se. Plant farming does significantly less damage, to the environment, organic or not. Animal farming is inherently wasteful and can, and does harm the environment in meaningful ways.

Answer 4

Boy, you are disturbed. You asked this earlier in which you said you USED to work on a crayfish farm, and you did the same deal of commenting on everyones answer. I am veggie, but see no flaw in your farming method, nor would you possibly find any flaw in my indoor, hydroponic, organic garden. Why are you so obsessed with this? Do you have some overwhelming NEED to be RIGHT! Geez, get over it, move on, there is more to life that rightousness. The only flaw I see is that rice is not the natural diet of crayfish, flotsum and getsum is. We can clearly see how eating the wrong diet harms any species, so I am curious to see how you will respond to that. Crayfish, in the sea, would have no access to rice, so that is not a truly organic diet appropriate for that species, and certainly not if its cooked. Crayfish are not meant to consume cooked foods. I wouldnt give the fish in my fishtank rice to eat, cooked or otherwise-its just not natural

edit: you state that you dont know if the rice farmer uses anything, so how can you tout an organic product if you cant guarantee that the rice was not sprayed with pesticides or chemicals?

Answer 5

Issues I'd worry about wouldn't necessarily be environmental impact of your rice-growing - seems like that would be pretty minimal, if it's organic and you recycle your waste (though obviously you use other fertilizers, which you haven't specified). But what about the crawfish? Are they healthy? What do you do to keep them disease-free? Are they genetically uniform? What's the space you keep them in like? Are they confined, or are they in some external environment where they might be affecting some other ecosystem? How much rice do they consume?

I'm not sure what 'post hoc' argument asleepfornow is talking about...

Answer 6

Are you and Foxhunter_guy one and the same? You both created your profiles a day apart and seem to always ask the same sort of questions.

In the words of C+C, "Things That Make You Go Hmmm"

Answer 7

Boy. You know that bucket Foxy and I gave you for Christmas is not a full farm.
Stop telling tall tales.

Answer 8

This is not the area for such a question. Head on over to the Environment section. Thanks!

Answer 9

You don't have a Crayfish farm and you know it!

Answer 10

It isn't harmful to the environment. Stay organic.