Why do so many christian's believe the bible is against homosexuality? Debate me, I dare you.?

Question

Answer to debate question. You give your "bible proof", and I will destroy it in my added details. If you are so right, you should only have to give one answer. I know I'm right, and I will respond once in my added details. Let the debate begin.

Robert K, I am so glad you used the examples you did, because they are the most commonly misquoted and misunderstood "pieces" of scripture. The true sin of Sodom and Gommorah is the sin of inhospitality. Jesus says this later in the bible. Seems like you might be guilty of this sin. Leviticus 18:22 says nothing of sex, or lesbian sex for that matter. I guess homosexuality is ok for women. Don't say they use "mankinnd" in the generic sense, or they wouldn't say womankind in the same sentence. The writers at the time were very sexist, and by "abomination" they meant the idea of man being reduced to the role of woman was an "abomination". The thought of a man being penetrated like a woman disgusted them, because man should be superior to women, not penetrated like them or be like them in any other way. It is actually very sexist, macho scripture, like much of the bible. According to you, your examples "sum" it up. I think have shown your examples to be flawed, but nice try.

I think "I" have shown...(sorry for the error)

"Whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life". WHOSOEVER

Robert K you pinpointed one point I made, and you were wrong. It is in the bible. Maybe you should read it in its entirety. What of my other points? You do what all "christians" do and say (when you are losing an argument) "well its all about faith". That is essentially what you said at the end of your comment. My faith has no room for hatred. Why does yours? WHOSOEVER, remember.

You still have not addressed my other points but continue to dance around them. Maybe you should be a politician. I understand you can't confront my argument because it is right, and you are wrong. God will still love and accept you even if you are not capable of debate. He loves the smart and the ignorant. Maybe you should leave the debating to college graduates. I never said you hated me. You just have hate in your heart, because you are trying to conform a holy book to your warped way of thinking. Why can't you see that I am right? It doesn't mean you have to accept homosexuality in your life. It just means god doesn't promote your beliefs in his/her good book and that god is the only one who shall judge. You should be bringing all people closer to god. WHOSOEVER

Still dancing I see. You asked where the debate was, and I have given you one. I wish I could say the same for you.

Answer 1

Basically its because Jesus was like -gasporz!!!1!!one- Men shouldn't have butt sex with other men!

Answer 2

Well Leviticus is probably the most specifically anti-homosexual. It says "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." (18:22) It goes on to say not to lie with animals either... In any case, Christians who base their condemnation of homosexuals on this would have to follow the REST of Leviticus too in order not to be hypocrites. This includes lovely rules such as "nor shall there come upon you a garment of cloth made of two kinds of stuff" (19:19), and "For no one who has a blemish shall draw near, a man blind or lame, or one who has a mutilated face or a limb too long, or a man who has an injured foot or an injured hand, [etc etc] shall not come near to offer the bread of his God" or he will "profane" the sanctuary (21:18 onward).

You'll notice that Jesus directly taught people NOT to follow this stuff, as it is clearly cruel and discriminatory. Half of what he teaches is just not to follow cruel Old Testament rules. Christians are supposed to be following Jesus, not the Old Testament...

Answer 3

There were angels, too, who did not keep to their own domain, who deserted their dwelling place. These the Lord has kept in perpetual bondage, shrouded in murky darkness against the judgment of the great day. Sodom, Gomorrah, and the towns thereabout indulged in lust, just as those angels did; they practiced unnatural vice. They are set before us to dissuade us, as they undergo a punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 6-7 - Second last book in the Bible)|

So what was this unnatural vice that is talked about here?

Can anyone guess what it might be?


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"Before they went to bed, all the townsmen of Sodom, both young and old - all the people to the last man - closed in on the house. They called to Lot and said to them, 'where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them.'

(Genesis 19: 4-5)|


I think that what Lot should have done was offer them tea|

That way he would have taught them a lesson in hospitality, which was obviously the big sin of that town in their disregard of it|




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Answer 4

in answer to some of the answers i have seen here. The bible says control the desires of the flesh to homosexuals but not to heterosexuals? Face it any thing that brings joy to people is a sin. I wonder how long humanity will continue to believe and propagate such teachings

Detestible? Shameful? Unnatural? That sounds like a judgemental religion anyone in their right mind would want to belong to. How about this: heterosexual relationships are unnatural to homosexuals. Yep.

Answer 5

The Bible is against sexual immorality. It is the sexual act that is the sin.

The Bible is against premarital sex as well. This can not be debated.

The debate isn't is homosexuality wrong, the debate is why do you challenge Gods law.

As a christian I would say the same thing to a hetero relationship that is willing to break Gods laws.

God Bless there is no debate, it just is.

Answer 6

Leviticus 18:22 Do not lie with a man as you would with a woman, that is detestable. Leviticus 20:13 "if a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable." Romans 1:25-27 .....God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." 1Corinthians 6:9,10 Do not be deceived: neither sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders....will inherit the kingdom of God." 1Timothy 1:9, 10 NASB Law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexual...." Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for homosexuality. It is sin, plain and simple.

Answer 7

Jesus always caught his fish before he cleaned them. Many Christians think that their job is to set lost people straight. Christians get so upset with what the world does today. I don't care what you do and how you try and justify it. It is none of my business. That's what sinners do. We are told to judge those within the church. You are already judged.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Answer 8

There's no debate. It absolutely is. Boswell's exegesis (repeated ad nauseum by everyone that wishes it was true, which would include me except I have academic integrity and so I have to set my personal wishes aside) has no credibility whatever with fundies, and better qualified NT scholars have dismissed it. Many with pastoral responsibilities wish they could hang their hats on it (I was one). Boswell was in fact so unpersuasive that as he noted with disappointment, his work went mostly uncommented upon. When some like Robert Hayes of Duke were finally moved to respond by the clamor, they dismissed Boswell's conclusions as so clearly woven from whole cloth that it really required no response. You'll only be speaking to those that need no Biblical authority in the first place and already agree with you.

The question is, why should we care what a book with talking snakes and jackasses and a pre-bronze age understanding of biology and psychology has to say about human sexuality? I will never get why gay people want to be accepted by the heinous culture of fundamentalism, when in fact the bigotry of fundies has done more to promote gay rights among the general population than any camel-swallowing pro-gay exegesis. It's like a battered wife thinking she can reason with her abuser and not get an even worse beating. These are people who think God forgives murder, but not divorce for crying out loud, when their own group has a higher divorce rate than average (They shoot their wounded you know). Why pander to notions of nature and nurture from writers who believed in angels and demons? Does anyone need to gain acceptance from fundamentalist Christians who condemn everyone to hell, and who as a group have a medievalist understanding of the cosmos and are proud of it?? Even mainline Christians don't care what those people think.

I think we can better spend our time with a task that requires no command whatever of koine, and simply ask, "Why should anyone care what flat-earthers think about sex?"

Answer 9

I am willing to accept that dare...where is the debate


There are multiple parts of the bible that condemn homosexuality, and the city of sodom and gommorah was destroyed for that among other sexual immoralities. THe end all be all proof you desire is Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

there is no such thing as a good abomination...its pretty clear. Again there are plenty of other scriptures to cite but this sums it up. Whatever your added details are means nothing to this scripture...its plain and to the point. Im sure you have deluded yourself to believe otherwise but that has nothing to do with scripture.

I await your "added details".

LIke I said...deluded and wrong...the sin of inhospitality?!? THats a new one and I thought I heard it all....Leviticus is not nearly misqouted...abomination is abomination...and men wishing to sleep with the angels in lots house was inhospitabzle it was abominable...keep trying...if you allow e-mail we can continue this...but i doubt you will want to. another problem is being that homosexuality is a sin if you believed on him you would turn from it.

Being in ministry as long as I have I can assure you I have spent more time in the word than you apparently believe I have. The reason I did not address many of your statement is not a issue of faith but of practicality...it made no sense in scriptural terms. Anybody can use scripture out of context to make it say what they want to believe and this is what you have done. Leviticus 18:22 is the only scripture needed to address your claim. Your poor attempt to make the claim it refers to only men and blah blah blah was not worth wasting ink on. My main a concern is why do you assume that I hate you or hate anybody for that matter...my acceptance of the truth that god calls homosexuality a sin does not mean I hate homosexuals, I dont...but I hate homosexuality. The need to seperate the sin from the sinner is important.

Sad...truly sad...im dont with this. THere was never a debate here..you have a dilusion that you have accepted as truth. THere is another bible verse that is perfect for dealing with spreaders of of false teachings like you....Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


Mark 6:11
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Answer 10

I'm an atheist but it certainly looks like the Bible is against homosexuality, to me. Surely it's better to just point out that the Bible is a load of nonsense which has no relevance to the modern world, than to try to argue that it doesn't really mean what it says..?

Answer 11

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 say that man should not lie with man as he lies with woman because it is detestable. I'm guessing it may stem from that, but I'm not really Christian, so I couldn't tell you what they think.