Jews, Is this really in the old testament?

Question

I read this in an answer to another question, but the writer did not site the verse...may someone else can.

"You cannot bring proofs from the "Old Testament" and the "New Testament" the "New Testament" is made up! Want proof? It says in the Bible (Old Testament) "There shall never be a new bible in front of the L-rd" (or something to that affect, the Hebrew words are "lo tihei torah acheres mayaeys haborei yisborach shimo")"

---Rachel D

But I have one small problem, even if it is in the old testament, that would mean the true bible stops right there. at that verse, or has already stopped.

What gives?

Scott

Well, first of all JM, As a yahoo answers user, I would like everyone to show their sorce.

And as a believer in the bible, I would like to know where it says that, and if she would have left a verse, we would not be having this conversation.

Answer 1

There is nothing in the OT that states God will not provide additional Scripture. In fact, the Bible states THE OPPOSITE.

At Jeremiah 3 and in the entire Book of Hosea, God tells the Jews that, since they broke the Mosaic Covenant so many times, He has divorced them as His spiritual wife. But in order to keep His promises to their forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel), He will make a NEW COVENANT with the Jews. This is stated at Jeremiah 31:31-34. A New Covenant requires additional Scripture so the people can follow God's laws; it also requires another sacrifice to seal it. (A careful reading of the OT proves there was always a sacrifice to seal each and every covenant God made with humankind and with specific individuals.)

Messianic Jews and Gentile Christians, who believe Yeshua (Jesus) brought this New Covenant recognize the New Testament as Scripture authorized by God Himself.

EDIT: "Kallan" is incorrect to state the Mosaic Covenant was an "everlasting" convenant. In fact, it was a CONDITIONAL covenant -- there were blessings for following it and curses for breaking it (Ex. 15:26; 19:3-8). Because the Jews repeatedly broke the Covenant, God declared there would come a day when a New Covenant was necessary. Unbelieving Jews today purposefully overlook this unequivocal statement in Jeremiah 31:31-34 as a way of denying the truth. The Bible explains that, even to this day, when the Law is read, unbelieving Jews have a "veil" over their eyes due to their disobedience. It is this spiritual veil that causes them to rely upon statements such as Kallan's. I mean no disrespect to you, Kallan -- I have nothing against you. There is more to this matter than you know. I urge you to pray to God and beg Him to reveal the truth to you. Disregard what your Rabbi says -- listen to God and He will answer.

Secondly, Kallan, Deut. 4:2 says "YOU shall not add to the word which I have given you, nor take from it, that YOU may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command YOU." (emphasis mine) God is clearly telling the Jews here that THEY have no authority to change the Law He's given them. If they do, they will fail to keep His commandments. As I've written above, the Jews repeatedly disregarded God's commandments; the Pharisees routinely added to the commandments (today's Rabbinic Judaism is a direct descendent of Pharisaism). All add up to disobedience. The point made at Deut. 4:2 is that only GOD can add to Scripture, not humans.

EDIT 2: "Mommynow," I agree with you that, as a point of respect, we should refer to the Tanakh as the First Testament. Christians should (and for the most part, do) have the utmost respect for it.

Answer 2

I think what this person may be referring to (and I'm not him/her, so I cannot speak on their behalf) is Deuteronomy 4:2 in reference to the Torah.
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

The entire nation of Israel was present at Mt. Sinai to receive the commandments of their god, and it was made clear to them that this would be an everlasting covenant throughout all their generations and that they were not to forget these commandments given to them on that day, but to teach it to their sons, and their sons' sons.

Also in Amos 3:7
"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

He did not reveal the following to the prophets:
1. God did not become a man, because He did not tell His prophets He would.

2. God did not supplant the Torah with a NewTESTament, because He did not say He would, and

3. There is no such thing as a second coming as it was not foretold to the prophets.

So to answer your question, the Torah contains the 613 commandments of God and that is what christians call "the law". The Jewish God made it clear to his people that this would be an everlasting covenant throughout all their generations.. it was never foretold to the prophets that there would be a change, and to make one would be in violation of his own words (aka make god a liar).

This is why the jewish people reject the New Testament. It violates everything their god told them in what christians refer to as the Old testament.
Hope that helps somewhat.

Answer 3

from the everything torah book

The Torah is God's code for how the Jewish People should interact with His world. If God is eternal and timeless, that means He was able to deliver a Torah that speaks to the constants of human existence. It doesn't need revision every time new circumstances arise, rather, the existing tools of the Oral Torah are brought to bear upon the new situation" (the oral torah is added to by every jew, in fact, we are encouraged to "write our own torah")
"In his Commentary of the Mishnah, Maimonides quotes Deuteronomy 13:1 - You shall not add to it, nor subtract from it . . . also Deut. 29:28 - the revealed things are for us and for our children forever, to do all the words of this Torah." (that might be the verse you are referring to, but there are others as well)


i believe that part of the confusion is that the word torah is translated in the christian bible as bible, it is our complete bible, as jews, for christians, it is not. you have to remember that although christians claim judaism as their history, for the people actually writing the book, and all the jews since who have studied it, that statement, in fact the torah itself was written only for Jews. We believe that every culture gets their own torah, or bible, describing the convenent god has with them. The rabbis through the ages have debated about why certain things were included, whether or not they were true, and what was meant by them, (you've maybe heard the joke that for every 3 jews, there are at least 4 opinions?) but the argument is never that what is there should be replaced by something "new".

That is why as a jew, I can't see the christian bible as just someone else's torah, because it is offensive to me that they "borrowed" my torah, said that it was theirs, and then insulted it by calling it "old".

Answer 4

if you do not believe on the old Testament and the New Testament of the Bible, why worry to know it. What bothers you so much. Its useless telling or writing the verses if that is the case

Answer 5

good question...........jewish faith, I think, can't believe in the new testament because it talks about Jesus, but I will check up in the old if there's a scripture that says that about another book.

Ecclesiastes 12:12.....“To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh,”