They still don't get it. The question, if I may be so bold, is basically "If you were god(a timeless, immortal being) and you went to die for everyone's sins, knowing in advance that you would be alive again in three days, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE TAKEN UP INTO HEAVEN for eternity, how is that a sacrifice"? Sacrifice implies "loss" . Jesus, if he was indeed god, didn't lose a damn thing, a couple of shitty days out of an eternity of paradise in heaven. What kind of a sacrifice is that?
2007-02-24 00:40:24
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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I don't buy the Jesus is a god thing. He was helped by, even empowered by the spirit. "Embodied" is a good word But he was not THE spirit.
It was a sacrifice because as a human being he knew the outcome and did it any way. Because he believed in GOD his spirit was going to prevail regardless. He still had to go thru the pain so that others would see. Much like the average person's life. The pain is outweighed by the outcome. Hopefully to the benefit of someone else.
2007-02-24 05:39:29
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answered by Eric E 3
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It was a sacrifice in that Jesus took on him pain, suffering, humiliation, and more that he did not deserve. Tell me that being whipped repeatedly does not hurt - even if you know that once it is done you will eventually recover from it. Have you ever had someone rip your hair off? Been spit on, struck in the face repeatedly, had thorns pressed and beaten into you head? When was the last time someone drove nails through you wrist and feet? When were you last stripped naked and hung up in front of your enemies to be mocked and reviled? When was the last time you were suspended by your arms for hours until they got so out of joint that your own muscles strangled you?
Tell me that none of that would not count as a sacrifice, when you willing took all of it on yourself so that others would not have to endure it.
In the book of Hebrews 12:2, it talks about the sacrifice of Jesus and how the reason he was able to endure it was because he knew that final outcome. He knew that everything he would have to endure what bring joy into the lives of others. So he took the pain, torture, humiliation and even death, to bring that outcome for others. That is my understanding of what a "sacrifice" is.
2007-02-24 00:35:10
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answer #3
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answered by dewcoons 7
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it wasn't
it doesn't meet any of the qualifications of what a Jewish sacrifice was supposed to be and since Jesus was SUPPOSED to be a Jew (if he really existed) and since Jesus was SUPPOSED to be the final sacrifice for the Jews (what a load of crap that is) then it is absolutely ridiculous to think that the sacrifice wouldn't have meet Jewish standards....
so...the fact that G-d had already told the Jews that human sacrifice was NEVER allowed, one of the lessons learned with Abraham and his stopped sacrifice of his son let's us know that G-d wouldn't then go and turn another human into a sacrifice
or....if you want to go the whole Jesus was special so we can forget that he was a man and not an animal to be sacrificed bit....
there is the fact that there are RULES in Judaism, the religion that Jesus was supposedly sacrificed for, on how to do a sacrifice and Jesus's death didn't meet those qualifications either.....
among the problems of thinking his death was a true sacrifice:
-only a Jew can kill actually kill the sacrifice on behalf of other Jews...and it was the Romans that put up Jesus
-there are specific prayers that need to be said before and after a sacrifice, by a Jew.....and since it was the Romans that killed him those prayers were not said
-there are specific rules on exactly how an animal is to die from the sacrifice cheif among them is that the death must be from loss of blood and that alone....in the christian story of his death it talks of him being up on the cross and in pain but it indicates that the loss of blood was not the significant issue...and it talks about how long he was up there, and the fact is that he could have died from any number of things but not blood loss if it was taking that long...more likely he died from asphyxiation or exposure or even shock
another problem if he was supposed to be a sacrifice is the fact that there are specific rules on what is to happen to the remains of the sacrifice...and it was not to toss them in a cave....
and then there is the problem of what the person doing the sacrifice is supposed to do afterwards to cleanse themselves and purify themselves again afterwards....but again, since it wasn't a Jew that did the sacrifice than it wasn't a real and accepted by G-d sacrifice
basically....what it all boils down to is the fact that G-d gave Jews specific instructions on exactly how to perform a sacrifice, gave specific instructions on exactly what could be sacrificed, and gave specific instructions on who and when and where a sacrifice could occur
and the death of Jesus does not meet even ONE of those instructions as set forth by G-d to the Jews
so the death of Jesus was not and could never have been a sacrifice
it was only one of thousands of other deaths that the Romans carried out as punishment
2007-02-24 01:07:01
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answered by Rhymes with Camera 3
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Firstly Jehovah God gave all his intelligent creations the gift of freewill.The ability to choose which course to take.
And while it is true that Jehovah knows all things.He chooses not to.He allows his creations to exercise their free will.
Jehovah by allowing his only begotten son to come to earth,to suffer and die an agonising death as a common criminal.And to have that first born son nonexistent for three days whilst Jesus lay asleep in death,would have been a heartbreaking experience to go through.That was the biggest sacrifice anyone could ever have made.
What you are missing is the fact that Jehovah because of his love for his human creation,allowed his precious son to undergo this horrible and painful experience so that mankind could have the prospect of being freed from enslavement to sin and death.
So you have two sacrifices that have taken place.Firstly,Jehovah by allowing his son to come to earth and die on behalf of mankind.
And secondly,Jesus' ransom sacrifice of his perfect human lifeblood so that those who exercise faith in that ransom have the opportunity to enjoy eternal life on earth,which is what Adam and Eve through their disobedience had lost for all man.
John 3:16,17:3;Ps.37:9-11,29
2007-02-25 18:19:41
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answered by lillie 6
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Your name alone would explain your views, but I am not a judge so I'll try to explain to you. Jesus' crucifixion was a sacrifice unto God for the deliverance of men. He knew the outcome yes, but was willing to sacrifice His own Son (Jesus) for the world He loved. Would you give your seed for the life of a stranger? God willingly gave His for an infinite number of souls who were strangers to Him. Even for folks like you who don't believe in Him.
Now there is Real Mercy and Grace! Glory to the Most High!
2007-02-24 00:27:22
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answered by Anonymous
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Have you read the scriptures of how much Jesus suffered? If you have ever watched the movie Passion of the Christ, it shows a glimpse of what it may have been like. For 3 days, Jesus, who was sinless, carried the sins of the world on his shoulders and because of these sins, was separated from his Father. "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me!" (Psalm 22:1 David, Matthew 27:46, spoken by Christ.) Many believe Jesus spent those 3 days in Hell. We can't imagine what the Savoir suffered for our behalf. Why would someone choose that for sinful people?
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
2007-02-24 00:35:59
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answered by Anonymous
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Pain is not a sacrifice?
Most people consider it a sacrifice to get out of bed and go to work every morning - let alone suffering a full day of the worst torture ever devised by the Roman army.
2007-02-24 00:34:07
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answered by NONAME 7
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Perhaps the reason you understand there to have been no risk is due to your misunderstanding. Even if there was no risk, there was a great cost. The journey was not pleasant! Why do you think that a sacrifice must include a risk? If you sacrifice your new car, (by giving it to someone else, for instance) how is that a risk? Is it not a sacrifice? The Messiah's name is YAHOSHUA! "Iesus" is a heathen mighty one!
2007-02-24 00:25:27
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answered by hasse_john 7
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It was a sacrifice because it was voluntary. As the son of God, Jesus didn't have to endure the pain of crucifiction and death, he did so voluntairily, thus it was a sacrifice. Also there is a parallel to his death and the sacrificial lambs that paid the price (death) for the sins of mankind.
2007-02-24 00:27:18
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answered by omnisource 6
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