Reference vegans and animals and total extermination.?

Question

So let me get this right, you are advocating the total extermination of breeds to stop animals being slaughtered. Maybe extermination is a bit strong but certainly the demise of many breeds of animal from family cat thru cow, sheep, chicken, turkey, to name a few.
Sad world, no lambs springing about the fields, no calves suckling their mother, no jolly little chicks, all golden yellow, bubbling in a tray, no cockerell crowing to announce the morning, no cat sitting on your lap purring, yes, sad world. Surely it is better to give the animal a good life than none at all. Perhaps, let us exterminate all humans, no wars, no cruelty to animals, no global warming.......

Whilst I abhor cruelty to animals and cannot stand the so called chicken farms and yes I have been in them and worked in them, the point is that in response to the person, a vegan, who stated that the animals would be better of dead, yes those animals possibly, but IF everyone went vegan then it is an incontestible fact that there would not be any animals. Who would pay for the herds of sheep, wandering the moors, who would pay for the chickens that where they can are free range, forget just eggs, it is not economic, where would the meat for cat food come from, the deer that damage woodland and precious vegan crops.
It has to be accepted that a vegan world would not work, instead let us work to get better standards for the animals and accept them as they are in the food chain.
The person that started this train of thoughtn was obviously vegan and, like many idealists, not really thought life out.

Answer 1

We've got pet sheep, chickens and pet cows

So, with a few people like me the species would survive.

next question please ?

The "if we all stopped eating meat where would the animals go" is a typical meat-eater argument that we see on here many times.

"but IF everyone went vegan then it is an incontestible fact that there would not be any animals.".........i lost interest at that point in the preceedings.

For some reason people don't see cows and sheep as animals and think they wouldn't survive. Meat-eaters condition themselves into thinking these animals have no character or feelings. Its just simply not true.

Of course modern breads have been heavily modified to produce more meat/milk but the general species ahve variants that would survive.

We don't eat horses ( well, not in the UK ) but still have them, don't we ?

Sheep make perfectly good land companions for people with a bit of space. As do cows and poultry.

Answer 2

You said it in your details, let the animals have a good life.
Have you seen the broiler chicken system, or the battery cage (even the enriched cages) for eggs, doubt you would have seen them live because you wouldn't be allowed to see the squaller.
The Turkeys gased at Bernard Matthews farm due to bird flu, are better of dead, than living in those conditions.
If you are serious about animals having a good life, then I hope you are buying organic.
In the free-range system the male chicks are killed because they have no useful purpose, in my opinion that is better than subjecting them to the broiler torture system.

Yes I agree with you, give the animals a life. It is a pity that so much meat is produced without that requirement.

Answer 3

This must surely rate as one of the most badly written questions I have ever encoutered on yahoo. I had to read it three times before I even began to understand what you are getting at.

I have been a vegetarian for over twenty years and if you really think that what you have described actually represents reality then you are truly living in fantasy land. Most animals farmed for meat do not live in some rural utopia they live in intensively farmed environments. Are you honestly telling me that a veal calf which is kept in a tiny pen for all six months of its life without the ability even to move around is enjoying a fulfilling and satisfying existence?

On top of this, I cannot see how you could possibly claim that by not rearing animals for their meat we will get to a stage where certain breeds will become exstinct. We do not eat african tigers of polar bears but do you honestly believe that for this reason mankind will allow these species to become exstinct?

There are many uses which animals can provide without being slaughtered for their meat. A couple of weeks ago I saw an item on the BBC news about chickens who have been genetically altered so that they produce eggs which can be used for medical purposes.

Surely, this is the future. A world where we can use animals for a whole variety of different medical and scientific uses in a humane and dignified manner without their existence being solely to provide an ever decreasing number of backward degenerates with their daily dose of flesh and blood.

Answer 4

clearly you have engaged in an argument with a person calling themself vegan, who you have interpreted as advocating the extermination or extinction of species as part of their argument that animal cruelty should be stopped.

The legal representative for McDonalds international corporate stated during McLibel UK that "as a result of the meat in McD's food, the suffering of animals is inevitable." It is this logic that you and the vegan you spoke with have deduced that if a species exists, it will inevitably be exploited by humans for a profit through the use of meat production.

The disagreement you felt in such a discussion has led you to lash out at this community on the prejudicial assumption that all vegans believe the above, and so therefore you need to make a point that animals have a positive influence on our lives.

I am writing to reassure you that most vegans are vegans because we love animals, and atleast in part want to end the suffering of animals everywhere, but not at the cost of their non-existence.

Many vegans are divided over how much their conscience will accept in terms of the suffering of animals for the good of humanity. For example, most vegans wouldn't flinch at the offer to ride a camel, but would object to a battery chicken egg farm being built next door. Each person draws the line in a different place, which is the invaluable characteristic that makes us individual, and we are classified as vegan for drawing that line in a similar area to each other, among other things.

Answer 5

What you are talking about is abolitionist Theory. We don't advocate the extermination of anything. Cats, Dogs, farm animals etc. Were domesticated and bred for our uses. All of these animals have wild counterparts, chickens, turkeys, cows, pigs. The goal is to quit using animals, care for the ones who are left and allow them to live out their life, and then allow the ones in the wild to be wild once again.
Animals cannot be owned and have rights that interfere with a property owner's right to do what they wish with their property. The number one most important right for animals is to have the right to be free from suffering at human hands. Their is no way to guarantee this right when the animal is the property of someone else. If the property holder decides it's in his or her best interest to kill this animal for food then that is what will happen. When we attempt to balance the rights of property ageist the rights of property owners, the owners always come out on top. In a Very condensed nutshell this is why animals must not be owned to be able to have the right to be free from suffering. (For more information see link in source below.)

Answer 6

No. If the item in question was a box of animal crackers, THEN the aforementioned vegan would be a jerk. The story would also become hilarious. If a vegan were to eat cream cheese, they would probably go straight to h-e-double-hockey-sticks.

Answer 7

Animals don't need us to feed them or herd them
in order to survive. Vegetarian animals know how
to find their own vegetation. Cats are predators
able to kill, eat and sustain themselves.

As for exterminating all humans; I as a vegan
would never endorse that. However if we don't
start living in harmony with with the rest
of the planet mother nature may do it
herself. That is, if we don't nuke each other
first.

Answer 8

To say everyone would take on a veganm diet isn't logical.and haven't you ever heaerd of a factory farm.It's obvious thta evryone isn't gonna go vegan.

Answer 9

the animals you eat are bred for you to eat. many are kept in god awful conditions. if they weren't bred for this purpose they would be bred naturally and not given weird things in their food and kill randomly because they taste good. yer i am a veggie but i do remember that i loved bacon sarnies but still... its just plain wrong!

Answer 10

this is funny because some meat eaters say that there will be too many animals if we all stopped eating them and some think they will just disapear