209 primer on a Thompson 50 cal renegade.What did I do wrong and How do I fix it?

Question

I have recently been given a Thompson 50 cal renegade black pwder rifle.SO I go to buy the ammo and the fella at gander mout. says I need to swicth to pellets I decide to try 'em and find out I need 209 primers. well I bought some and and realize I need to do something different?please help if you have any knowlege in this area.Thanks and God bless

Thanks all but I didn't tell all the story I have a ball hung in the barrel and a powder pellet behind it can I put a lil powder in the cap hole to fire the pellet ang go to the powder from now on?If not can anyone sugest I have tryed to screw the screw in and it is in there pretty good?help

Answer 1

I've been shooting the renegade for over 20 years and tell you that granulated powder is appropriate. Pellets are built to be ignited from one end, as an in-line gun does. The side-feed ignition in a conventional muzzleloader may not reliably ignite pellets. Stick with #11 caps and blackpowder or a granulated substitute. These old-style weapons can be finicky and granulated powder allows for more adjustment in terms of powder charge than pellets. They love round balls, but will also shoot sabots and conicals. I've had good luck with 200-240 grain sabotted bullets and 70-80 grains black powder.

Answer 2

As mentioned you will need a #11 cap. Not a musket cap or a 209 shotgun primer. You might be better off with shooting a patched round ball as well. I do not know the exact rifling on a renegade and how it will do with the saboted rounds, but I do know that they shoot fine with a patched round ball. (You'll want a .490 or .495 roundball). Perfectly adequate for medium sized game. The patching is any cotton material (no nylon, etc) that is thick enough to press the lands into the cloth and bullet. (Pillow ticking works great, though I recommend running through the wash once). You can use spit for just target shooting and for hunting melting some good old Crisco and soaking the material in it the squeezing out the excess will make a good hunting patch.

Answer 3

Thompson Center Renegade

Answer 4

Bound's hubby here:

If you need to switch from percussion caps to a 209 primer, you need to either contact Thompson Center (preferable) or find an after-market supplier of a nipple conversion kit. This should solve your problem.

Good luck.

Answer 5

I to have a Renegade it is not designed for 209 unless altered.
I use the Number 11 percussion Caps. But for the powder pellets I use CCI magnum # 11 percussion caps to insure it ignites the pellets.
Be careful on loading the powder and do not exceed the amount recommended by the Manufacture, I hunt black powder and usually load mine 15% to 20% below maximum charge for best accuracy.

Answer 6

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Answer 7

T/C Renegade since 1985. Use 3F or 2F Stock .50 barrel 1" across flats, has 1:48 twist, works well with patch ball or 370 gr T/C maxi-ball 90grains 3F. Other barrels Green Mountain, .50 cal has 1:28 twist, excel with sabots. Long 30" T/C barrel is 1:66 twist, excel for patch round ball only "Tight 2" grouping 100 yards 70 gr of 3F black powder.(benched)

Never have had misfire with just #11 CCI caps.

Answer 8

Tc Renegade

Answer 9

BY ALL MEANS LOOK INTO THIS WITH INFO SUPPLIED BY THE MAKERS OF THE RIFLE AND ALSO THE PELLETS.
FROM WHAT I HAVE READ PELLETS ARE DESIGNED FOR IN-LINE WEAPONS ONLY AND NOT RECOMMENDED FOR YOUR TYPE.
THEY RECOMMEND YOU STICK WITH LOOSE POWDER
IMPROPER IGNITION AND HANG FIRES MAY RESULT
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PELLETS THERE IS A DARKER COATING ON ONE END WHICH TELLS YOU WHICH END TO PUT DOWN THE BARREL FIRST
THIS COATING HELPS IN THE IGNITION OF THE REMAINDER OF THE PELLET IN IN-LINE RIFLES, NOT THOSE THAT IGNITE WITH A FLASH HOLE ON THE SIDE.