"Absent from the body, is present with the Lord"?

Question

I don't think so...

Maybe in the sense that when you die you are "asleep". Just like when you sleep 8hrs seems like mere seconds. So it would make sense that as soon as you die it is as if you were instantly present with the Lord.

Where in the bible does it say you go to heaven as soon as your dead?

Christ is coming back to earth to call up the dead, right?

1 Corinthians 15 says the dead are in grave. Where does it say that the soul goes direct to heaven or hell? I believe this is false doctrine.

Agree or disagree?

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Tells me that this man received salvation.

John

5:28
"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,

5:29
and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Seems to me like if the soul goes direct to heaven/hell then why the resurrection?

If you look at it from the point of view of being "asleep" until the return of Christ the other stuff makes sense.

1 Thessalonians 4

13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Answer 1

100% AGREE!

Just by the replies you rcvd, shows that people ARE STILL very, very confused on this subject!

The dead ARE DEAD and lie unconsciously in their graves UNTIL the resurrection!

Man DOES NOT have an immortal soul! ONLY God is immortal!

1Ti 6:15 the King of kings and the Lord of lords.
1Ti 6:16 He ALONE is immortal...

Jesus Christ HIMSELF claims that no one goes, or can go to heaven UNTIL He returns for them!

John 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, 'Where I am going, you CANNOT COME,' so now I say to you.

Joh 13:36 Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, where are You going?" Jesus answered him, "Where I am going you CANNOT follow Me now, but later you will follow Me."

Joh 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN and I will receive you unto Myself; so that where I am, there you may be also.

Jesus HAS NOT returned yet! Therefore, NO ONE is in heaven right now! They CAN'T go there yet!

It's so clear a child would have no problem understanding!

Answer 2

Where does it say when we die we go to heaven? If you reject what the Lord Jesus Christ did for you on the cross then the Bible says you are going to hell. If you have believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your sins then when you die you go to be with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5: 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. When the Lord returns to call all the believe off the earth
those that have died God will bring with Him. 1 Thessalonians 4: 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. He can't bring them with Him if they are in the grave. Oh yes, I Thessalonians 4:14 say you should not be ignorant. You need to study I Corinthians Chapter 15 it not say that the dead is in the grave, only the body which is going to return to the earth.

Answer 3

I agree...
When you die the your spirit (and intelligence) is separated from the body. We know where the body goes, the spirit goes to the spirit world, there are two places in the spirit world, paradise and prison. There is obviously some judgement that takes place when you die because you go to one or the other. Where is the spirit world, right here, earth. When you are resurrected, your body and spirit will reunite in its perfected form, a final judgement takes place and you go to the appropriate place.

Christ told one of those crucified with him that he would be in paradise with him. Paradise is not heaven. (But Heaven is a paradise of course).

Also From 1 Peter 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
So we know Christ preached to the spirits in prison (must be some hope for them and obviously not a final judgement, otherwise, why would he be preaching to them).

And finally, after he was resurrected 3 days later he told Mary, to touch (hold) him not for he had not yet ascended to God.

Answer 4

first absent from the body present with the Lord means you have submitted yourself to God. you are now of God and God lives inside you. second who knows for sure what happens when we die. we know eventually we will go to heaven. when i dont know if it happens when we die or not. to me the raising the dead would be when he comes back to judge. as well as that is when every knee shall bow. everybody will be judged

regardless just pray that God shows you the meaning. because you will get lots of responces. and if the pastor says what he says then dont call him a liar just ask him and say how you think it is maybe he will shed light as well. if not it might be how he looks at it. like ask who believes in rapture before tribulation or during or after. the Bible does not say 100 percent about this. i think we need to focus on what really counts. going out and witnessing for the Lord. i think a lot of parts people argue about most are not as relevant. i mean like will we go straight to heaven and hell when we die or just sit there. we have a soul and our soul still lives however regardless eventually we will go to one or the other.

Answer 5

I have questions about this also so i really don't know for sure. But my present interpretation is that the soul and spirit go back to God and the body lies in the grave until the resurrection occurs where the soul and spirit are reunited with a new eternal body. If Christ lives in us, won't you think the life that we have in Christ will go back to be with Him when we die? This is our spirits. Those who are dead spiritually cannot be with God when they die but they go to hell immediately.

Answer 6

there is not any sensation of the passage of time at dying, all are asleep interior the grave till the day of judgment. For King David or the little previous lady that kicked the bucket this morning, time does not sign up, so their subsequent experience of right and incorrect concept IS being raised up with The Lord even in spite of the fact that's has been many hundreds of years, a pair hundred years or purely an afternoon.

Answer 7

Jesus will come at the end of time to judge all human beings. This is called the parousia, His second coming. It was foretold by the angels as He ascended: "This Jesus who is taken up from you to heaven, will come in the way in which you saw Him going into heaven" (Acts 1:11).

However, those who die before the parousia will be judged immediately at their deaths. This is known as the particular judgment. The Epistle to the Hebrews says (9:27): " It is appointed to men to die once, and after that comes the judgment". Then, "Each one will receive his pay, according to his works" (1 Cor 3:8).

There are three possible outcomes to the particular judgment. Those whose love for God has been perfected in this life are taken straight to heaven, where they enjoy endless happiness in the face to face vision of God. Those who die in God's love but still love Him imperfectly must be purifed in the intermediate state of purgatory. Those, however, who reject God's love by mortal sin and die without repenting are condemned to the everlasting torments of hell. The general judgment at the end of time simply solemnly confirms the particular judgments of each one, with the difference that then the body as well as the soul will receive what is due it. And all God's judgments will be revealed as most just.

Answer 8

The right to enter Paradise.
Death is inevitable. The thief on the cross knew when his would occur, but we can not predict our own. After his death, the crucified criminal went to live in paradise with Jesus. Some of us will also live eternally in God's presence. But others will experience everlasting torment, forever separated from Him.
If we receive Jesus as our Savior, our penalty for sin is paid. We are adopted into God's family, and Heaven is our eternal home. If we reject Jesus, we remain alienated from the Lord and under condemnation for our sin. We are destined to experience eternal judgment. God won't accept any of man's excuses because there is no acceptable defense for unbelief. (Acts 4:12)
Become part of God's family today. Acknowledge your sinfulness, and express your faith in these words:
"God, I have sinned against You. (Romans 3:23) I've followed my own way and refused to give You the right to rule in my life. (Romans 3:10-12) I recognize I am separated from You and cannot rescue myself. I do believe that Jesus Christ is Your Son. I accept the truth of the Scriptures? that His death on the cross paid my sin-debt in full. (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) And I ask You to forgive me of my sins. (1 John 1:9) By faith, I receive You, Lord Jesus, as my personal Savior from this moment on."
If you just spoke those words to God, then, like the thief on the cross, you have received salvation? a gift of God's grace. The heavenly Father welcomes every person who comes to Him through His Son, regardless of background, age, or current situation. Through Jesus, the right to enter paradise is yours!

Answer 9

Paul wrote that when he was in prison and condemned to death. He was speculating whether it would be better to remain in the horrible conditions of the prison and continue to preach the gospel or to die and be with the Lord. A person's body is in the grave when dead. But I don't know where the spirit goes.

Answer 10

Disagree. Where, you say?
Here:

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

That's where. Saying otherwise would be the same as calling Jesus a liar.