John 10:30
"The Father and I are one.”
Other references but not "Jesus quotes" ...
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us ...
Acts 20:28
Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
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ZARA ... What do you make of Jesus' words when he said to the Jewish leaders, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!" Jesus and the Jewish leaders would have both been very familiar with the following text from the book of Exodus, Chapter 3:13-14 ...
13 But Moses protested, “If I go to the people of Israel and tell them, ‘The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,’ they will ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what should I tell them?”
14 God replied to Moses, “I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you.”
Here's the story in John for context:
John 8:31-58
31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33 “But we are descendants of Abraham,” they said. “We have never been slaves to anyone. What do you mean, ‘You will be set free’?”
34 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave of sin. 35 A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son is part of the family forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you are truly free. 37 Yes, I realize that you are descendants of Abraham. And yet some of you are trying to kill me because there’s no room in your hearts for my message. 38 I am telling you what I saw when I was with my Father. But you are following the advice of your father.”
39 “Our father is Abraham!” they declared.
“No,” Jesus replied, “for if you were really the children of Abraham, you would follow his example. 40 Instead, you are trying to kill me because I told you the truth, which I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing. 41 No, you are imitating your real father.”
They replied, “We aren’t illegitimate children! God himself is our true Father.”
42 Jesus told them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, because I have come to you from God. I am not here on my own, but he sent me. 43 Why can’t you understand what I am saying? It’s because you can’t even hear me! 44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 So when I tell the truth, you just naturally don’t believe me! 46 Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Anyone who belongs to God listens gladly to the words of God. But you don’t listen because you don’t belong to God.”
48 The people retorted, “You Samaritan devil! Didn’t we say all along that you were possessed by a demon?”
49 “No,” Jesus said, “I have no demon in me. For I honor my Father—and you dishonor me. 50 And though I have no wish to glorify myself, God is going to glorify me. He is the true judge. 51 I tell you the truth, anyone who obeys my teaching will never die!”
52 The people said, “Now we know you are possessed by a demon. Even Abraham and the prophets died, but you say, ‘Anyone who obeys my teaching will never die!’ 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I want glory for myself, it doesn’t count. But it is my Father who will glorify me. You say, ‘He is our God,’ 55 but you don’t even know him. I know him. If I said otherwise, I would be as great a liar as you! But I do know him and obey him. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad.”
57 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!” 59 At that point they picked up stones to throw at him.
2007-01-15 06:59:40
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answer #1
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answered by Capernaum12 5
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The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9).
2007-01-15 07:10:52
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answer #2
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answered by Anonymous
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John :8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" )
(Jn.17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. )
(Rom.11:36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen. )
I can show you where God calls him his son!
16. As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
17. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
and where he told us the only way to God was through him
2007-01-15 07:03:05
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answered by revdauphinee 4
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John 10:1-30
Vrs. 30 says "I and my Father are one" Here he is saying that He and God the Father are one.
If He was talking about an earthly father, it wouldn't have been a big deal, but He was talking about Yahweh, which is why the Jews sought to kill Him in the following verses.
Just because you think that He should've said "worship me" and did not say that (directly) does not mean that He is not the true God.
2007-01-15 07:12:35
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answer #4
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answered by LENZ 3
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Your statement never occurs in the Bible. I wonder would you believe if it did? Who are you to determine how the True God should express Himself? Check John 10:30-39, the Jews who heard Him definitely believed He was claiming to be God.
2007-01-15 07:04:03
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answered by HAND 5
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Jesus Christ Claims to be God
Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.
Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."
Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.
Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.
Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.
Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them.
Matt. 21:3; Luke 19:31,34 - Jesus calls himself "Lord." "The Lord has need of them."
Matt. 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 22:70 - Jesus acknowledges that He is the Son of God.
Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.
Mark 14:36 - Jesus calls God "Abba," Aramaic for daddy, which was an absolutely unprecedented address to God and demonstrates Jesus' unique intimacy with the Father.
Luke 8:39 - Luke reports that Jesus said "tell how much God has done for you." And the man declared how much Jesus did.
Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.
Luke 19:38,40 - Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. If these were silent, the very stones would cry out.
John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified.
John 5:21-22 - Jesus gives life and says that all judgment has been given to Him by the Father.
John 5:23 - Jesus equates Himself with the Father, "whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."
John 6:38 - Jesus says, "For I have come down from heaven."
John 8:12 - Jesus says "I am the light of the world." - 1 John 1:5 - God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.
John 8:19 - Jesus says, "if you knew me, you would know my Father also."
John 8:23 - Jesus says that He is not of this world. Only God is not of this world.
John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 - "I AM" means "Yahweh," which means God.
John 10:18 - Jesus says He has the power to lay down His life and take it up again - Gal. 1:1 - God raised Jesus to life.
John 10:30 - Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." They are equal. The Jews even claimed Jesus made Himself equal to God. Jesus' statement in John 14:28, "the Father is greater than I," cannot contradict John 10:30 (the Word of God is never in conflict). Jesus' statement in John 14:28 simply refers to His human messianic role as servant and slave, which He, and not the Father or the Holy Spirit, undertook in the flesh.
John 10:36 - again, Jesus claims that He is "the Son of God."
John 10:38; 14:10 - "the Father is in me and I am in the Father" means the Father and Son are equal.
John 12:45 - Jesus says, "He who sees Me sees Him who sent Me." God the Father is equal to God the Son.
John 13:13 - Jesus says, "You call me Teacher and Lord and you are right for so I AM."
John 14:6 - Jesus says "I am the way, and the truth and the life." Only God is the way, the truth and the life.
John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which makes Him God.
John 16:28 - Jesus says that "He came from the Father and has come into the world."
John 17:5,24 - Jesus' desire is for us to behold His glory which He had before the foundation of the world.
John 20:17 - Jesus distinguishes His relationship to the Father from our relationship by saying "My Father and your Father."
Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the "Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end." The only possible conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is equal to the Lord God.
Rev. 1:17 - Jesus says again, "I am the First and the Last." This is in reference to the God prophesied by Isaiah in Isaiah 44:6, 41:4, 48:12.
Rev. 1:18 - Jesus, the First and the Last, also says "I died, and behold, I am alive for evermore." When did God ever die? He only did in the humanity of Jesus Christ our Lord and God.
Rev. 2:8 - Jesus again says, "The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life." When did God die and come to life? In our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
2007-01-15 07:03:10
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answered by Gods child 6
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The first set of links below show that Jesus was explicitly claiming to be God and was doing things that only God could do. There is absolutely no ambiguity in what He said and what He did with regard to claiming He is God.
2007-01-15 20:21:02
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answered by Pastor Chad from JesusFreak.com 6
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If you study the life of Christ no He would not say that. For most of His ministry he downplayed who He was so that he could do His ministry without all the "seekers" who were just looking for the miraculous crowding Him out. He told people who were healed to tell no one on several occasions. At His arrest and crucifixion He did tell two people. Soldier in the Garden who He said to "I Am" which was the name of God, and to the guards He said "It is as you say" when they asked if He was the son of God.
Apart from that several books written in the Bible clearly say He is God.
2007-01-15 07:03:50
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answered by oldguy63 7
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TRUE Christians do not believe that Jesus was God or is God as found in the teachings of the TRI-unity (or Trinity). Rather, Jesus is was created by His Creatour, Jehovah God!
Those who profess such claims are not in truth with the Bible. Please note that the only ones (churches) that support this doctrine is "Christendom", those professing to call themselves Christians. Likewise, their books are written mainly by "theologians" who are not scholars, nor historians, nor school in Greek. Yet, it is ironic that even those who are "trinitarians" and theologians say that the Trinity is not a Bible teaching. Please consider these facts:
The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: “Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity.” Jesuit Fortman states: The New Testament writers . . . give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. . . . Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead.”
A PROTESTANT publication states: “The word Trinity is not found in the Bible It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century.” (The Illustrated Bible Dictionary)
Johannes Greber (1874) a former of Catholic priest in his book 'The Communication with the Spirit World of God' in page 371 was written, "As you see, the doctrine of a triune Godhead is not only contrary to common sense, but is entirely unsupported by the Scriptures".
Historian Bernhard Lohse says in 'A Short History of Christian Doctrine': “As far as the New Testament is concerned, one does not find in it an actual doctrine of the Trinity.”
Historian Arthur Weigall notes: “Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word Trinity appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord. ”- The Paganism in Our Christianity.
The New Encyclopedia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord' (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. By the end of the 4th century - the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”- (1976), Micropedia, Vol. X, p. 126.
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian (believing that God is one being). The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.” (1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294.
The Encyclopedia Americana comments: “Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”
The Church of the First Three Centuries says: “The doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; . . . it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures; . . . it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity, through the hands of the Platonizing Fathers.”
By the end of the third century C.E., “Christianity” and the new Platonic philosophies became inseparably united. As Adolf Harnack states in Outlines of the History of Dogma, church doctrine became “firmly rooted in the soil of Hellenism [pagan Greek thought]. Thereby it became a mystery to the great majority of Christians.”
In the book A Statement of Reasons, Andrews Norton says of the Trinity: “We can trace the history of this doctrine, and discover its source, not in the Christian revelation, but in the Platonic philosophy . . . The Trinity is not a doctrine of Christ and his Apostles, but a fiction of the school of the later Platonists.”
So Is Jesus God? NO! If the Trinity is not taught in the Bible, why are many so focus on "verses" that they claim to have a teaching of a TRINITY?
A person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.
FOR EXAMPLE: If a certain title or descriptive phrase is found in more than one location in the Scriptures, it should never hastily be concluded that it must always refer to the same person. Such reasoning would lead to the conclusion that Nebuchadnezzar was Jesus Christ, because both were called “king of kings” (Dan. 2:37; Rev. 17:14); and that Jesus’ disciples were actually Jesus Christ, because both were called “the light of the world.” (Matt. 5:14; John 8:12) We should always consider the context and any other instances in the Bible where the same expression occurs.
Jesus himself explained what was behind this falling away from true worship. He said that he had sowed good seeds but that the enemy, Satan, would over sow the field with weeds. So along with the first blades of wheat, the weeds appeared also. Thus, a deviation from pure Christianity was to be expected until the harvest, when Christ would set matters right. (Matthew 13:24-43)
Serious questions confront each one of us: Do we sincerely love the truth? Do we really want an approved relationship with God? Not everyone genuinely loves the truth. Many have put having the approval of their relatives and associates above love of the truth and of God. (2 Thess. 2:9-12; John 5:39-44) But, as Jesus said in earnest prayer to his heavenly Father: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3, NW) And Psalm 144:15 truthfully states: “Happy is the people whose God is Jehovah!”—NW, ASV
2007-01-15 08:31:34
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answered by jvitne 4
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"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)
God Bless You
2007-01-15 06:59:30
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answered by ? 6
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Never did he say those things, on the contrary he would never claim credit for himself and always put himself below The Father. This is because he new that having come down from heaven and accepted a carnal nature, and that he was going to experience death, he had accepted to do something which was completely alien to his Godly (Divine) nature.
I think the crux of your question Is "Is Jesus God" and I am going to answer it mainly in that way
Christians believe that Jesus had a dual nature, human and Divine. There was a divine Sonship in Heaven from the beginning of time, Jesus words " ...the glory I shared with you before the world began." "...I came down from heaven..." prove this. Why God exists in a way that involves his having three separate entities, making up the One Godhead is beyond human understanding.
The time came when God, in his infinite wisdom, had to come down to earth. So a child was born to Mary, not through any man, but by God's power. He was called Jesus and the Sonship of God came down and entered that body.
I think that one of the problems that people often face, is the need and belief that everything has to be and can be explained in human terms and that there should be no mysteries with God. Hence our reliance on science these days. This makes it very difficult for some to accept things through faith without being able to understand/explain them.
Bearing in mind that Jesus was a Jew and came to live and work among Jews and that they were to be the people chosen to carry the light to the nations, what he did and taught had to be understood within the context of their culture not of our cultures of today, but of those people. Culturally speaking, if God had to come down among his people (and Christians understand WHY he had to do this, but that is another long topic) he could do so in no better way than as "a son of God", especially an only begotten son. Sons were of great importance in the culture of Jews and their ancestors. And the idea of there being a sonship aspect to 'God's being' should have made Jesus more acceptable to them.
My comments about Jesus are underlined by his own words " ...the glory I shared with you (speaking in prayer to the Father) before the world began." "...I came down from heaven..."
Why God exists in a way that involves his having three separate entities, making up the Godhead, one of them a sonship" is beyond human understanding.
Her are just a few verses about what Jesus and others said about his nature. There are more that I can send you if you wish.
'... most assuredly I say to you, before Abraham existed (ever was) I am.' Jn 8:58
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' for in Christ the fullness of God lives in bodily form...' Coll 2:9
Thomas said, after he had met Jesus after He had ascended from the dead,
'My Lord and My God.' Jn 20:28
'....the Father and I are one...' Jn 10:30
'...Christ existed before all things...' Coll. 1:17
To get a better understanding, you could read up about the Trinity and there are numerous sources on this site which deal with it. It is a long and involved subject and I will not attempt to embark on it at this time.
God bless.
2007-01-17 02:46:05
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answered by Palamino 4
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