This whole anti-immigration idea because the Mexicans are somehow "illegal" is a lame argument. Slavery is wrong but it was legal in the US at one time. Was it wrong for the Patriot Saints who risked their lives in order to smuggle the slaves out of the South? Abortion is legal, but does that make it any less murder?
2007-01-15 03:17:44 · 29 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government ➔ Immigration
Yeah, it's an argument that basically tells me "I have no stronger argument so I will end the discussion with this one." I agree with you.
2007-01-15 03:22:13 · answer #1 · answered by Siervocal 3 · 2⤊ 15⤋
You can change laws without breaking them. I don't agree with every law on the books either. But I have to obey them. Citizens helped change those laws about slavery. Slaves didn't disrupt society and break laws to have them chaged. Not all slaves were mistreated and some didn't want to be free. Others were horribly abused. America didn't invent slavery.....it's been going on since the beginning of time. But we did change the laws. I'm pro-choice. Not as a birth control means for foolish behavior....but for rape, incest and health reasons. Each issue has 2 sides. The problem I see with illegal immigration is there is nothing but 100% amnesty and a continued demand to "ignore" the other crimes they are commiting and a continued list of "freebies" they demand for "their" people and NOTHING about enforcing any laws or even a push to assimilate. There's no "compromise" to work with. No country on the face of this earth has a successful open borders situation. None. There's a massive global problem with illegal immigration though. Russia is now cracking down too. It is destroying the countries they are running too because there is no limit or means to control anything without "offending" someone. It's give and take and it seems there's a whole lot of taking and not enough giving. I mean we have one of the most liberal immigration systems as it is.....I mean really....load up the illegals and go in mass to any country on this globe and see if they wouldn't be saying the same thing. It's a fine balance to keep things a float and this has this boat sinking.
2007-01-15 03:56:59 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 7⤊ 1⤋
It's not you, or the "because they're illegal" argument.
You've asked the wrong question.
How do we, as a country, deal with the influx of illegal aliens (undocumented workers, whatever you want to call them) ?
There are many facets to this debate, people on both sides of the "fence" (pun intended) are driven by fear, racism, anger. I live in San Diego, I am in direct contact with this issue. I propose three ideas that should be acceptable to all parties.
1. Change US law to reflect that if a child is born in the US, they do NOT automatically receive US citizenship & all the rights & benefits thereof. If the mother is not in the country legally (Visa, resident alien, refugee status, etc.) then the child is a citizen of whatever country parent is from. To receive Social Security, Medicare, etc. one must be a citizen. As a firefighter, I think it would be unethical & immoral to deny emergency medical care to anyone, but once the emergency is over, kindly return to your country, you are welcome back anytime you have proper documentation.
2. Acknowledge that there are in fact, jobs that Americans do not want to do. Here in California it is largely agricultural workers - fruit pickers etc. The "migrant workers" who come here to take those jobs are just people looking to make an honest living & provide for their family. My suggestion is to bring back a modern version of the Bracero Progam. With the technology available we could set up a few "Work Centers" (Border towns would be the obvious choice) people from other countries (but, let's be honest, mostly Mexicans) would come, get documented (fingerprinted, DNA sample, photo ID etc) employers could list their needs, a simple matching process would occur, the workers could even contribute a nominal fee from their earnings to pay for basic healthcare while they are here. All above board, not taking jobs from Americans, not outsourcing. This leads to my third idea.
3. The real source of illegal immigration is that businesses hire illegal aliens. Walmart was busted not too long ago, here in San Diego, the illegals line up at Home Depot to get construction helpers jobs, do you think the contractor who needs a day laborer asks for a green card? Create financial penalties so great, that a business owner simply could not afford to get caught. Tier the penalty based on the tax returns of the business, the bigger the company, the bigger the fine. I predict you'd see a huge drop in illegal border crossing.
That's my 2¢.
2007-01-15 05:21:57 · answer #3 · answered by Sam Fisher 3 · 4⤊ 0⤋
some different actual disputable Trinitarian arguments are: Jesus is God simply by fact particular Bible TRANSLATIONS teach him announcing "i'm" at John 8:fifty 8 and that they then element this to Exodus 3:14. Jesus reported at John 10:30 that he and the daddy are one. John a million:a million in many (yet by no potential all) states that "the notice exchange into God". The Bible calls God the Alpha and The Omega (the commencing up and the top) and it additionally calls Jesus the commencing up and the top, for this reason Jesus is God. Jesus reported that for the time of three days HE could resurrect himself and since the Bible says that it exchange into God who resurrected Jesus then Jesus is clearly God. etc... etc. between the various scriptures which blows the Trinity doctrine out of the water is Daniel 7:13, 14 the place God the Almighty is seen simply by fact the classic of Days and The Messiah (Jesus Christ) is shown simply by fact the Son of guy. they are shown as 2 very different divine Beings (no point out and are view of the Holy Spirit is shown). The angels convey The Son of guy (The Messiah) up on the fringe of the classic of Days (God Almighty) and God Almighty provides The Son of guy great authority, ability and kingship. If Jesus have been God Almighty, he could not provide himself what he could have ALREADY possessed. The Trinity doctrine is a heap of unChristian Babylonian nonsense. Ciao
2016-10-20 05:48:21 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
It's you.
Slavery has always been wrong, and at one time it was legal. Illegal immigrants will ALWAYS be illegal and will ALWAYS be wrong.
There were no "Patriot" saints - or saints of any kind - running or participating in the Underground Railroad. And by the way, smuggling slaves out of the South was illegal, although Lincoln's government never sought to prosecute anyone for it.
Lastly, abortion being murder is your opinion, not necessarily a fact. That debate is endless, but until it does end, what you said is nothing more than an opinion.
Like I said...it's you.
2007-01-15 03:29:42 · answer #5 · answered by Team Chief 5 · 9⤊ 2⤋
I think most people are just scared and I think they have every reason to be. Here's the bottom line: Mexico is a third world country, then Mexicans are third world people (unskilled, un-educated, at times, un-healthy, and dirt poor). The US is struggling under it's own people's weight with all the entitlement programs it offers (entitlement = welfare). We are running massive amounts of debt. How will adding millions of third world immigrants help us? It won't and will be the drain that will cripple the economy for once and for all unless we stop offering them welfare benefits. Also, there was a big difference between the first waves of immigrants to this country, we assimilated. Mexicans don't want to and feel no need to. I don't want my home town to turn into a northern version of a small Mexican town because it got taken over by thousands of immigrants working in the fields.
2007-01-15 03:33:42 · answer #6 · answered by [><] Rebel 3 · 8⤊ 1⤋
What is really weak is the fact most illegal's have no intention of becoming a citizen. Their intention is to live within our country and take advantage of a life that only citizen's should have. They claim to love this country yet don't want to become a citizen. They don't want to pay taxes nor do they want to become an active citizen within this country. They want the American dream without becoming an American. I agree that we all should be proud of our heritage. But to take advantage of American tax payers with no intentions of becoming a tax payer yourself is cowardess. It's rediculous and pathetic. If any immigrant desires to become a citizen I think it is great. I feel that every person deserves to live life as American's do as we all immigrated here. But every person draining the life/money out of our government must step up and become a contributing citizen of this country or otherwise go back home.
Can you tell me why most Mexican women cross the border just to have babies? Of course there child will be a citizen. Of course our government will pay for their child's birth. Of course they will get benefits for that child, especially if there are health problems. How many American women's births are paid by the government? Do you have any idea how many American's are homeless in America? You wouldn't agree that America's money should benefit American's? I mean America already shells out enough foreign aid. So when does America start taking care of American's???
Your points on slavery and abortion really are mute. We could sit here all day playing this game. Most people with common sense recognize that this country has major problems. It is up to American citizen's to correct problems as best as we can through votes. It would be ironic that an illegal would gripe about America when he could simply become an American and take part responsiblity is repairing our problems by voting for what they believe in. This is a country for the people and by the people. So either join us or leave us.
2007-01-15 04:15:14 · answer #7 · answered by zero 3 · 4⤊ 2⤋
You seem to be saying that it's okay to do anything illegal. Sneaking into a foreign country is illegal. It's against the law. There is no country in the world that does not have laws against people sneaking in without the necessary permits. The point is not WEAK, it's common sense, and the law.
Those sneaking in are not SOMEHOW "illegal" , they're completely illegal. Would it be "illegal" to rob a bank? Should rapeists be considered "illegal" so they're okay ?
Law breakers should never be accepted. Obey the law, and enjoy the country and all that it has to offer. Break the law, and suffer the consiquences.
2007-01-15 03:53:05 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 8⤊ 1⤋
So do you not respect the law?
If any person is free to break any law they disagree with, then there is no law.
How many illegals do you think the USA should allow in? All of the 6 billion in the other countries that want to come?
It is not a weak argument. The weakness is in the minds of those who do not think things through.
2007-01-15 03:41:30 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 9⤊ 1⤋
So according to you we should ignore our laws, the laws implemented to protect you and me. While we're at it why don't we wave a big white flag and allow anybody to come in? See how long it takes until we have another 9/11. To compare illegal aliens crossing our borders to slavery and abortion doesn't even compare and is illogical. Overall your arguments pro-illegal immigration are weak and irrelevant. Besides, why does every other country have the rights to protect their borders, yet when America does it we're being unfair and uncivil? Did I miss something? Why should people who aren't even American citizens have more rights and liberities than citizens? I'm so sick of the PC bull!
2007-01-15 03:40:38 · answer #10 · answered by luvbean_xo 2 · 11⤊ 2⤋
Just because some laws are unjust doesn't make them ALL weak. They're illegal because they are cheating everyone. They are 'jumping ahead in line' ahead of legal immigrants. They don't pay their taxes, they use resources without paying for them, and they lower the going rate for legal wage earners.
They are called illegal for a reason.
2007-01-15 03:29:21 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 10⤊ 1⤋