what does the word "discipline" mean...?

Question

all right ladies and gentlemen....lets begin again.

this is not about telling you how to raise your children.

this is about enlarging our realizations for to assist with those of you who have ideas which are now not healthy for raising children or within other relationships.

lets take our time....there is no hurry....you are not commanded to respond but i would like to hear your notions if you are prepared to hear my own.

thank you

youaskedbeprepared...thank you for responding...please let me sat that attitude of a child is at any given time genuine and so obnoxious is an adult reference of what is unacceptable. perhaps you will benefit by knowing more of what an attitude is/is for. please pay careful attention to mr.noninvultuos...he will be sharing valueable information pertaining to 'attitude'.

Smile...thank you...good information..but is there something missing from your definition which may balance ''stimulating'' and which is often over-sighted by society/families.?

Brunettes...i am not here to knock anyone but only to share. and i realize parents do their best given what are their own realizations and what are the prevailing social conditions (also personal conditions) in their known and unknown environments. thank you.

momma2...very good short answer. thank you.

Mr.Chili...thank you for responding. your reply meets opinion as has been trying for greater popularity as is redemonstrated by some.

..but Mr.Chili...it is sorely deficient of accurate healthfull human respects and is practiced by those whom prefer exploitation and not teaching. love or health is not a priority of this practice and principles are seldom defined of they whom practice it...children are not boot camp material...and thank you for responding. please pay carefull attention to mr.noninvultuos...he will be sharing generously with those who think/feel like you and you won't even have to pay.

MIchelle...thank you but do you agree with reference..?

Flash...do you agree with reference..? and thank you for replying.

BetterWithAge...you seem to have achieved a balance. i commend you. but..."discipline" can be "beating" the purpose in raising loving healthy children.

HaleysMom...I agree. it means to teach. but i disagree...it should mean to love..consistently. empathy is indispensable but not all parents who follow traditional disciplinary remedies know what empathy is. thank you.

SonyaK...thank you for a genuine and well considered reply. you are quite right..it is just a word and it do have only the meaning a person attributes to it.

ko....thank you for replying...and is there something else you would like to add...maybe show us how it has changed you.

olschoolmom....thank you for responding. you have given a popular traditional standard...though woefully inadequate for real help...such as.....whose "rules"....please consider..and thank you again.

be well all of you

Answer 1

...ok.

from Wikipedia free Encyclopaedia the term "disciple" mean ..>

"disciple is a follower and learner of a mentor or other wise figure."

now let's look in the same Wikipedia for "discipline" and notice any similarities/distinctions.

"Discipline is any training intended to produce a specific character or pattern of behaviour, especially training that produces moral, physical, or mental development in a particular direction.

Discipline, while often thought to be a coercive mechanism, can be a collaborative process of building consensus regarding accepted behavior within institutions and society" .

and moreover it say...>

"Self-discipline is the ability to manage oneself and one's emotions. Self-discipline is to some extent a substitute for motivation, when one uses reason to determine a best course of action that opposes one's desires."

unquote.

so...the term "disciple" is not exact to the term "discipline" but certainly there is a relationship between these two terms since the latter is a derivative of the former...but the latter "discipline" seems to have inherited an anglocized meaning and version which would assuredly be due to meanings and interpretations which have come down through the years culturally and as it pertained to the former "disciple".

so...it is fair to say that the term "discipline" is the anglocized interpretation of the term "disciple" which according to Wikipedia makes less definition as it pertains to real human experience...hence mind feelings embodied within the natural world.

so let us please revisit the term discipline in its' origins ... as disciple. with mind refreshed and receptive to what it could possibly mean to us now.

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if "disciple" is a "follower" or "learner" then disciple is a student of one and maybe others which practice the example(s) and language informations (teachings) which the mentor(s) make known and pro visional.

this means that your children are your students in life. they will practice your example(s) in life (and practice the example of others or not because the young with social integration have only what they know to meet with others within their social integrations.)

this means that our children respond to what they see with some example or they respond to what they see with no example.

this means that child(ren) on their course in meeting with both the natural and human and created world ... meet these with out experience or knowledge of and can not consciously know the con sequences or results of meeting(s).

and it really do not matter if you as a parent believe that a child is born into the world with 'tabula rasa' or empty slate for impressioning as a conscious faculty or if you are a parent which believe that a child enter with conscious faculties which do be have its' own special knowledges and purposes or urges.

for until a child experience life..... a child can not respond whatsoever. no matter how prior living conditions have influenced the child response.


so....if you tell a child that the flame is hot ... not until the child touch the flame will the child 'know' what heat is. and this works for both realizations...that of tabula rasa and that of natural contemplatives. for in this life....not until the child touch the flame will the child be able to connect the word "hot" with the experience "flame".

so...the experiences of a child must be considered to be as responses of a genuine nature. that is.......

if no person did try to teach the child of the "heat of flame" then no message did intercede the experience of the child touching the flame and the child would know what is heat upon reaching into the flame upon some duration....it may be presumed. (and there is an other school of thought which i will not go into here and have actual experience with but have not the full informations for rationalizing away this more reasonable assertion of "child learning heat by touching flame.")

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the point is. that a child is not responsible to other(s) (with knowledge and/or experience) for what the child do and how other(s) respond.

that a child is not responsible for what the child be (with knowledge and/or experience so that it may relate with confidence in the natural and created world) (in relationship).

that a child is not responsible for what the child have (with knowledge and/or experience)(and as it may change relationship to other(s)).

simply.....a child is not responsible for how society or family respond. that society and family is responsible (or should be) for how it respond to child(ren)....with or without them in conscious mind and realization.

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[[mr.chubby did come in to day to also thank sewwoodyou and comment there but for some strange reason he is being denied the opportunity...it seems that editing/adding is no longer an option for him so i am going to continue with this column without him and wait to see if he will also be denied the option of extending discussion duration which is now an inevitability i think.

communism/fascism....whatever social state one may be reminded of when wondering of the nature of they in secret which dissolve of regular civilized human conducts....is most discomforting. and .... **take a breath**......it is these types which puff them selves up as good citizens/custodians. puff themselves up for the public that is. then busily create illusions to wealth and security. **bites my tongue**....i am sick of them...and i know some are sick of me.....oohhh....how gross be the vain and cunning.]]{{their disciplines do be have an apparency which is marked by their dedication to image in spite of the consequences of their cunning}}...and i ....wait for the bullet which their sin/tax collectors will provide .......

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the two ever popular disciplines of 'love' and 'fear' which all ways distinguish the principles and practices which in your own and my own personal and social experiences are.....conditional.

there is all ways love and fear.

the schools of thought of my own experience have taught me that
those who love by control have much to fear. and that those who love in freedom have less to fear. but ever fear be present for in relationship fear is principle when it indicates what is non valueable of the ideas realization..and fear shows what of my self and what of your self is undesireable. and discorded by the conditions which be made aware. if the conditions which are undesireable to me (us) are explicable ... that is they can be identified by mind (ideas) and the feeling response creates fear in relationship to these ideas.

but it is not the soul facility which fears. for the soul is love. and unconditional love at that. but the mind which is afraid by the ideas and realizations and experiences which it is aware of (partially) and is translated emotionally as fear in its very simple to compound and wide-ranging impressional to expressional experience.

the mind is afraid .. the soul is not afraid. for the soul knows it is eternal. the soul knows it cannot die. the soul knows the purpose of me and the soul knows the purpose of you (us).

it is the mind which by a simple thought and it is the mind which by an even more simple thought as may be intuited or glimpsed subconsciously or how may be said subliminally that fear can be created. and the mind can only know this by experience. whether of some far and distant past and is recorded someplace within its' vast bank of recollection or whether of some more near and present danger as is easily recalled by this living experience. but...

the soul knows not fear. the mind relates to soul what it feels is dangerous and undesirable.....conditional....of its' creation.

to control or desire to control living experience so as to eliminate ... and reduce the conditions which are undesireable and fear creating is futile. and it will show us that until the realizations are known to mind that conditions exist for a reason and a purpose then fear of that condition will return and actually be attracted by me (you)(us) for the purpose to love that which the mind be only able to explain away partially.

i fear violence in my mind because i am a peace-loving individual.

i fear deception in my mind because i am a truth-loving individual.

i fear they whom portray more regulary in their own minds and practices these conditions. therefore i must love they whom cause me to be afraid.

which strangely is why i both attract them (by my loving fears) and am stricken to respond in terror by the fears of being somehow unable to love them. but fortunately....

my most loving person which is non-offensive and which is not hurried to seek social acceptance and give away my personal principles (however innate these be) is yet with me. and though my own experiences have showed me much about the conditions of society within its' diverse principalities and here i am now able to reduce as simple the purposes of both personal and social acceptance of my self and of others...i am yet with a terror. for it is not for my self that i fear strangely. for i do not fear death except for the notion that i would not then be able to love and teach they whom are most valueable to me and foremost among these are my own off-spring.

teach them lovingly about what is fear and show them the conditions which they will meet with in their own experience(s).

and i......................need not punish them to achieve it.

for i .......................am able to articulate these to them.

but i.......................have been forced out of relationship with them by principles of fear and deception in some murky plurality which i can only explain partially. so which i shall have to accept fully in order that it may not deny me love and health.

punishment.....is a waste of time and energy. and very non-productive.

and when they of the principalities realize that they also have nothing to fear except fear itself (in its' simple and/or compound realities) then they too shall rule and serve in love and health.


thank you for this hearing
may all of you be well in realizations of love and fear

Answer 2

The discipline that I use with my kids has change through the years. I have never been the one for "time out". When they were toddlers I smacked their hands and little bottoms depending on what they were doing. When they got older I might have spanked them if it was really bad. Not every situation need a spanking. I don't think you should beat a child but a certain amount of discipline is necessary. Now that my kid are older, taking the phone away, their computer, the game station, or the t.v. hurts worse than a spanking. But I think spanking is necessary to raise a good kid. Discipline not beatings.

Answer 3

hi,
first you have to not be afraid of the word. it is juat a word it has no idenity unless you give it one.i believe in the right to insure that my children knows whats wright and whats wrong. the word dicipline has been blown out of preportion. there are the ones who feel that we should allow our children to express thereselves in any maner they see fit. there those who believe that a simply no honey don't do that is all that is needed. those people i think are living in the the clouds. if you don't teach you child the dos and donts of life then he or she will grow up thinking that it is okay to do what ever they want on matter who they hurt. these are the same people i say are afraid of the word. there is a time for the word and there is a time when a simlpe "nouty chair" comes into play. i think that all means of the word should be explored. and we as parent are all that stands in the way of these who with a little dicipline will someday be the future of our people. we just need to remember its just a word and how we use the word is how it gets it meaning. yes the dictionary has a meaning for the word but a person had to come up with the word and a person had to give it its meaning. only a person can give it its power. stop using the word as your guid to how you handle your children, handle your children in the proper maner and let that be that. there will always be someone who will have something to say about the way you "dicipline" your child just be the best parent that you can.
i don't know if i have answered you question but i thought you were looking for something that made sencd to you. maybe i helped you a little.

Answer 4

In respect to discipline in a parent/child relationship, discipline is reserved for disobedience. Learning the difference between right and wrong or learning life lessons is reserved for other teaching opportunities. However disobedience can not be tolerated or you will have a mess on your hands during the teen years. That discipline can take many forms as your feel best, but is reserved specifically for disobedience.

Answer 5

See below.

However in my opinion the only discipline is selfdiscipline.

dis·ci·pline (dis'uh plin) n. , v.

-- n.
1 training, especially of the mind or character.
2 the training effect of experience, misfortune, etc.
3 a trained condition of order and obedience.
4 order among school pupils, members of the armed forces, or members of any group.
5 a particular system of rules for conduct.
6 the methods or rules for regulating the conduct of members in a church.
7 the control exercised over members of a church.
8 punishment; chastisement.
9 a branch of instruction or education; a field of study: the discipline of science.


v. -plined, -plin·ing.
-- v.
1 train; bring to a condition of order and obedience; bring under control: A good officer must know how to discipline men.
2 punish: The rebellious convicts were severely disciplined.
[ME < OF < L disciplina < discipulus . See DISCIPLE .]
-- -dis'ci·plin·er, n.

Answer 6

The word discipline can mean a lot of things.

In disciplining children or pets we strive to teach them right from wrong. Some believe in corrections using compulsion and others believe in using motivation. I believe in using a fair balance of both to end up with the end result of having winners.

The word discipline used in our own personal lives usually means we are controlling ourselves to do what is for the betterment of us as humans. As we discipline ourselves to follow a diet or exercise program or to not smoke cigarettes.

These are my notions... now I have prepared myself to hear yours...

Should I be shaking in my proverbial boots?

Answer 7

Discipline means to teach..not 'to bully', 'beat down', 'keep in place', 'show who's boss'. Also, does not mean 'to love', 'like', 'be liked', 'spoil', 'tell someone everything they do is right'. What's the best way to teach? There are many but a few that come to mind: by example, by consistency, by always learning and sharing what you have learned, by being someone who can be trusted, by admitting when you are wrong, by showing how to fix a wrong, by setting boundaries, by being firm but empathetic.

Answer 8

Are you asking for opinions so that you can knock people down with your opinions on how to raise their children? Just asking but in my opinion you should let the parents use their own imagination of what discipline is, without being judged.
Not every parent is the same and I bet every mother & father tries their best to raise the children they have.

What is your meaning of Discipline? should you have put that in here to begin with?

Answer 9

When I read your question,I thought of self discipline and sacrificing things to make sure I stay focused on achieving a goal. As far as for kids, it means don't let them be obnoxious little brats in public.

because BrunettesRbetter, it is a direct reflection upon you. If you like your kids to act up and every one to think you're a bad parent, go ahead. THAT's who I am. I am here to answer questions, just like you, and if you don't like it, then too f-n bad. Free speech baby, just like what you had. Idiot.

Answer 10

Discipline means training that corrects, molds, or perfects the mental faculties or moral character

Answer 11

Discipline = "to teach."