meat protein?

Question

ok, it's well known (i hope!) that protein is not absorbed 'as is' it is digested to amino acids and secondly the amino acids we need are found in plant products too.

so why do i still get that "meat protein is necessary" BS? meat-eaters, please answer? are you just ignorant or are you trying to be mean?

Answer 1

The meaties aren't ignorant or mean; they're just suffering from the early stages of prion disease! Give the mal-formed proteins another 10 years (or so) of damaging their brains and we won't have to worry about them posting in the forum here anymore, as they'll all be drooling idiots, slowly wasting away as their brain functions slowly decline and finally-painfully fail.

Maybe some of you meaties can explain the 'logic' of NOT testing every meat animal for prion disease...What are y'all and the meat industry afraid to learn? Please note that every time the US has restarted exports to Japan those shipments have been refused due to contamination and Japan re-instates the ban!

Answer 2

When digested and absorbed by the body yes, plant amino acids are much the same as those from meat. On the other hand the human digestive system finds protein easier to absorb from meat, so to get the same amount of protein veggies have to eat more. Still, I know that isn't actually much of a problem at all.

@ Michael H

"when meat eaters revert to hunting, gathering and preparing all their own food then we can have the "its natural" discussion. Until then, there is nothing natural about the current meat industry so that argument is invalid."

The nature argument is perfectly valid; it is about what we are designed to eat, not how we are designed to procure it.
Using the same logic fruits and vegetables aren't natural because they are intensively farmed, whereas originally they would have grown wild and been gathered. That is, of course, bad logic, but so is your point.

"" we were born this way". Well actually, no we weren't. we developed as hunter gatherers who would have meat in a meal about two times a month, and never in the winter. Its only in the last 500 years ( out of how many thousands ? ) that humans have started eating meat at all in the winter because of animal enclosures and artificial lakes for fish."

Utter rubbish, really.

The reason humans ate meat relatively rarely was because it was relatively difficult to get. Still, one good hunt could provide for a family for several days. Likewise wolves will only eat every few days because meat is difficult to hunt.

Secondly, there is evidence people hunted and ate meat more than twice a month, quite a lot more actually. Of course, 500 years ago and in the later middle ages meat consumption was low due to a rapidly rising population, increased poverty and relative expensiveness of meat, and it is likely that 500 years ago twice a month would have been quite accurate, and maybe even less for the really poor people, but meat consumption was much higher in the dark ages and earlier times. I would suggest somewhere along the line there was a misunderstanding that gave rise to your point.

People definately did eat meat in winter, and in fact that is the time they were most likely to eat it, because then it was pretty much their only available food source. In winter there are no crops or fruits and very few vegetables around at all. Because of this winter became the time when people ate the animals they'd fattened up in the summer, and before farming they would have gone out to hunt more often.
The ancient Germanic people, of whom the English (Anglo Saxons) belong, used to call late autumn/early winter 'Blotmonat' (which obviously means blood month) because it was the month when they'd slaughter their animals. This was all before christianisation when they adopted the calendar we use now, and suffice to say that that one tradition was at least several thousand years old.
I challenge you to show one shred of decent evidence for your point, as it defies all logic and everything I know of history.

Answer 3

They are just ignorant. Saying its necessary is an easy statement to make without backup. They are trying to absolve themselves of the guilt of eating dead stuff.

If they say its "necessary" it like saying "its not my fault".

I'm 41, been veggie for 27 years. I live and work an arable farm, i take no suppliments and i am never ill. Strong as an ox and reasonable ( Ph.D ) intelligent

If meat protein is "necessary" how do they explain me, or the millions of veggies like me ?

I notice none of the meaty answers actually answer your question. Typical of the majority of meateater answers, they just ignore the specific question and say things like "its natural", "we were born this way", "it tastes good". All of which are good techniques of deflection to avoid to original question.

when meat eaters revert to hunting, gathering and preparing all thier own food then we can have the "its natural" discussion. Until then, there is nothing natural about the current meat industry so that arguement is invalid.

"its taste good". Well so does cocaine but its no excuse to take it, it it ?

" we were born this way". Well actually, no we weren't. we developed as hunter gatherers who would have meat in a meal about two times a month, and never in the winter. Its only in the last 500 years ( out of how many thousands ? ) that humans have started eating meat at all in the winter because of animal enclosures and artificial lakes for fish.

and things like "in some parts of the worlds if you only eat non-toxic plants you'll die". Maybe so, but is that a reason to eat meat where you are ?

....all smokescreens and mirrors to avoid the real question presented which is "why do many meat eaters say you "need meat protein"". i notice none of them have been able to answer this.

Maybe we should ask 200 million Indians and 60 million other veggies why they are not dead if meat protein is really necessary ?

Good question

Answer 4

Meat is useful for some nutrients, regardless of it being necessary. Meat is, however, a delicious item of food to eat. Humans are officially omnivores, because unlike herbivores, we do not eat most plants. This does not mean that we are carnivores, as many of vegetarians contrast the human race to in an attempt to disprove the idea of humans eating meat.

And eating meat is not cruel or mean. Other animals are omnivores and some are carnivores as well. Are you trying to suggest that omnivores like the wild pig should be rounded up and fed a vegetarian diet? Pigs (and chickens) are omnivores, and eat other creatures, making logical for other creatures to eat them.

Answer 5

I am niether igrorant nor mean and I eat meat. The fact is that although you can get many of the amino acid that you need from plants and that protiens are broken down inot amino acid chains, we are not able to get all that we need from only plants that are native to your location.

While we are very lucky to be living in a world in wich many of the things that we need (whether we choose to be vegitarian or not) are provided for us, the fact is that we are ominvours because in many locations around the world if you just eat the non-toxic vegitaion you would die of malnutrion with several months.

Now to be fair, yes we are able to get everything that we need from plants now because as I have mentioned we are very lucky to live in as well supplied a world as we do and have no ill effects, but just think of the range materials that are needed to provide a healthy diet as a vegitarian, nuts and fungii (mushrooms) for fats and essentials base protiens, berries (like olives) for complex essential oils, grains for base essential oils. All of this is priovided by one piece of meat for a lot less cost.

I should think that instead of acting apon your emotions and calling everyone who is different from you mean or cruel that you would stop to realise just who lucky you are to have the choice (and the finacial backing) to be the way you are. Hope this helps.

Answer 6

Obviously it is not well known! LOL

Old information will float around and apparently there is not enough media coverage (Internet, TV etc) to get the real facts out there to the public.

Answer 7

being a vegetarian is a luxury that only modern humans can afford. it has not been an option for past cultures. "ignorant" or "mean" ? gee, do you think you could find it in your heart to offer another alternative? and you call meat-eaters antagonistic to vegetarians!

Answer 8

ignorant, and not willing to accept that you can have a healthy nutritous diet without eating meat. Us Americans love our meat!

Answer 9

as long as you have complete protien from combined non-animal sources, you do not NEED animal protien.
Animals just taste good because we have evolved to eat meat, and enjoy it, as it is healthy for humans.