How many articles constitute a valid arguement against Vegan diets?

Question

we've all heard horror stories over the last 6 months in this forum about Vegan diets, with vague comments about medical journals and pale-faced relatives.

Just how many articles would you expect to find on the internet if all this were true ?

I notice we now been given just ONE article written on a personal webpage that has no valid medical or authorative validation to it.

Searching for the author of the original article it seems he and his wife are deluded individuals who actually didn't follow a vegan diet anyway.

I also note that the parts of the original article that points to 85% of people improving thier health on a Vegan diet seems to have mysteriously been edited out.

I was believeing so much of what we've been told about the Vegan diet, and how its unhealthy and a threat to our lives. Now it turns out its all this quoting of medical journals is just bollocks and a Vegan diet is actually very healthy for 85% of people.

A fine first answer....I guess fish isn't the brain food its made out to be.

Before you answer, please read the question.

How does killing an animal protect its welfare ?...just curious. i bet the animal would suggest it rather impacts its welfare.

Answer 1

Yes, because of our friend and nightmare Mr 'I live in Veganville' quoting his bogus journals. I don't believe any article that bloke cites. Notice how he has re-emerged with another personality, one that looks like Frank Carson? He still comes out with the same old same old load of fat bairy hollocks though !!! I'm a newby to veganism converted from vegetarianism and I feel great!!!
He should try it, instead of just knocking it, it might waken his 'beastie' up!!!

Answer 2

I am not a vegan, but only because I am so attached to the taste of milk products. (Same reason a lot of people still eat meat) I DO limit the quantities I eat, though. And I do know with a vegan diet I would be even healthier than I am now (I've been vegetarian most of my life)
A vegan diet can be the very healthiest --- B12 is the only vitamin a little hard to get without dairy. But it is available in vegan sources, without pills. Nutritional yeast, (Red Star flaked) as an example, has plenty of all the B's-- and is yummy sprinkled on brown rice etc. Many soy milks and cereals also are fortified with B12.
Sometimes tempeh, miso and certain seaweeds also have B12.
Some of the healthiest people I've ever known have been vegan.
Like any diet, you can eat well or you can eat badly. How many pale-faced sickly meat eaters can you find? Or more commonly, how many with cancers and heart disease and obesity...red-faced from high blood pressure.

To answer your actual question
Like the oil industry, tobacco industry, and others, the meat producers have a large say in what information gets out to the public.They have powerful lobbies, advertising, etc. The truth gets obscured or twisted to benefit those with power and money. Big surprise there?
As they say, if you want to learn the truth "Follow the money".

Answer 3

Just for giggles I did a search on Google's scholarly articles search with the terms Vegan Diet. it came back with around 2,500 articles. I read the headings of many of them and skimmed a few of them. All of the ones I read and the headings of the ones I did not seem to suggest the following:

1. B12 can be a big issue for Vegans, If and only if they don't pay attention to it. Supplement and you will be fine.

2. Omega-3's should be supplemented by everyone.

3. Vegan diets need some extra planing for toddlers and children. Making sure this age group get enough calories is important because Vegan diets tend to be bulky.

4. Plant protein is just a good as animal protein when varied sources are eaten.

The conclusions of most of these articles are consistent with the American Dietetic Association's position paper on vegetarian and Vegan diets, which in a nut shell states that properly Vegetarian and Vegan diets are nutritionally adequate for people in all life stages.

The articles I'm talking about above are published in scientific journals and in most cases are peer reviewed. Anyone can say that being a Vegan made them sick, whether that is true or not.

If we are talking valid augments against the Vegan diet then I think we need more than just some no-body's opinion.

Answer 4

We live in such a carnivorous world that anything that does not involve meat is characterized as a heresy. So much of the literature out there on veganism and vetarianism is biased. I firmly believe that if you really are careful about getting enough iron, protein and certain B vitamins when you are vegan and vegetarian, you will end up being healthier than most meat eaters. We are brainwashed into believing that we need meat to survive, when in actuality, it is something that we overconsume and is terrible for our systems in the quantity that we eat it. Our hunter gatherer distant ancestors didn't even eat meat very frequently--maybe 2 times a year. And that meat was sabertooth cat that had 0% fat. Now the goal is to raise the fattiest meat so Americans can fatten up even more.

Okay, I vented. Meat disgusts me.

Answer 5

I think you have it backwards. What i have noticed is many christians using the word "Logical" to try and make their belief in superstitions and fairy tales sound more well..... for lack of a better term...... logical. I've also hear christians use "illogical" quite a bit to talk about a universe without a creator. Logic is about facts, evidence... saying it is illogical to you because you believe there must be a creator is ridiculous because you have no facts to back up your logic. It's just a "gut instinct" you have that is shared by others who are just as illogical and superstitious as yourself. Your comment is a perfect example. "I think it's logical that there is a creator." That is perfectly logical..... if you're talking about a watch, or a car, or a pie. It is not logical, however; to credit the creation of the entire universe in all it's vastness to some invisible supernatural deity that has never shown itself or given anyone any reason whatsoever to believe that it exists. (The bible is not evidence of anything more than some guys who had this story to tell. it is a storybook with no significant evidence to back up any of it's claims.) There is a big difference between something being logical and something making sense to a person. It makes sense to you that the universe has a creator, but it is not logical because there is no evidence whatsoever. Your life experiences, your "gut instincts," the bible, the existence of the universe..... none of that is proof of anyone or anything being a creator and thus it is not logical at all for anyone to believe that there is a creator to begin with. Edit: You can't prove that something DOESN'T exist, moron! Can you prove to me that the leprechaun living in my attic doesn't exist? I didn't think so! You don't see me running around claiming my magical attic leprechaun created the universe though.

Answer 6

Yeah its a shame, because some people (not foxie obviously) are just genuinely concerned about the veggie/vegan's well being, because they really believe it's unhealthy. People who don't know anything about nutrition don't realise that meat is not the only source or protein or iron, and dairy is not the only source of calcium, etc. I'm not sure why it's ingrained in our culture to believe that these animal products are strictly necessary (maybe because people make a lot of money from them? and we're so greedy we want endless variety to our diets?).

But i think that the benefits of these diets are starting to become apparent, and the number of people following these diets is growing constantly.

Answer 7

Most of pro meat eating arguments are created by the meat producers to make more money.
The medical profession has colluded with the farmers to push meat.
The medical profession is currently changing its view by supporting the view that we should all eat more fruit and vegetables.
The medical profession is still 'in bed with' the pharmaceuticals.

Answer 8

If you open your mouth and check your teeth you will see that we are in fact omnivores and our bodies have been developed by eating a wide range of foods. For years we have been told that butter is BAD but now we are being told that hydrogenated fats (ie low fat spreads) are actually worse for us. Eat what you enjoy in moderation, make sure it is healthily produced (grow your own if poss and only eat meat produced where the welfare of the animals has been protected) and exercise sensibly.

Answer 9

He is annoying.Is this even fun for him anymore?It might've been fun at first,but hasn't he gotten bored yet?He must have no life,at all.

Answer 10

like anything, if you dont go overboard with it it's probably fine. but i reckon its all s bit much. the body needs certain things to function that a vegan diet at the moment just doesnt offer very well...yes meat may well be murder but if they could they'd eat us first! :) xx