Proverbs 8:22-31 says that God created Jesus.
2006-12-30 11:34:47 · 30 answers · asked by wbyrnes2008 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
If God can do anything why can't there be a trinity?
2006-12-30 11:36:55 · answer #1 · answered by mojo2093@sbcglobal.net 5 · 4⤊ 4⤋
Both my NASB and KJV reference Rev 3:14, Jesus being the beginning of creation, with Prov. 8:22. Making Jesus the 1st being created by God. (Read your footnotes)
Even though Prov. 8:22 calls Jesus "Wisdom",
John 1:1 calls Jesus the "Word".
Gal 3:1 calls Jesus an apostle
1 Thes 4:16 calls Jesus an archangel
Jesus has many titles, He is called Prince and Lord, King and Savior.
These all describe a specific aspect of his assignment from God.
Jehovah is also called a Rock, Crag, a Strong Fortress or Tower
2007-01-02 09:40:38 · answer #2 · answered by TeeM 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Another lie that Satan uses to keep people from knowing who the Almighty God is.
‘But isn’t Jesus called a god in the Bible?’ someone may ask. This is true. Yet Satan is also called a god. (2 Corinthians 4:4) At John 1:1, which refers to Jesus as “the Word,” some Bible translations say: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But notice, verse 2 says that the Word was “in the beginning with God.” And while men have seen Jesus, verse 18 says that “no man hath seen God at any time.” (Authorized or King James Version) So we find that some translations of verse 1 give the correct idea of the original language when they read: “The Word was with God, and the Word was divine,” or was “a god,” that is, the Word was a powerful godlike one. (An American Translation) Clearly, Jesus is not Almighty God. In fact, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”
Did Jesus ever say that he was God? No, he never did. Rather, in the Bible he is called “God’s Son.” And he said: “The Father is greater than I am.” Also, Jesus explained that there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Further, on one occasion Jesus prayed to God, saying: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If Jesus were the Almighty God, he would not have prayed to himself, would he? In fact, following Jesus’ death, the Scripture says: “This Jesus God resurrected.” (Acts 2:32) Thus the Almighty God and Jesus are clearly two separate persons. Even after his death and resurrection and ascension to heaven, Jesus was still not equal to his Father.
As for the “Holy Spirit,” the so-called third Person of the Trinity, this is not a person but God’s active force. John the Baptizer said that Jesus would baptize with holy spirit, even as John had been baptizing with water. Hence, in the same way that water is not a person, holy spirit is not a person. (Matthew 3:11) What John foretold was fulfilled when, following the death and resurrection of Jesus, holy spirit was poured out on his followers gathered in Jerusalem. The Bible says: “They all became filled with holy spirit.” (Acts 2:4) Were they “filled” with a person? No, but they were filled with God’s active force. Thus the facts make clear that the Trinity is not a Bible teaching. Actually, long before Jesus walked the earth gods were worshiped in groups of three, or trinities, in places such as ancient Egypt and Babylon.
2006-12-30 11:45:25 · answer #3 · answered by BJ 7 · 3⤊ 2⤋
The idea of the trinity is really conceptual. If Jesus is God and the holy spirit is Jesus, then it's really a "unity", because they are one and the same. The concept is that they are all to be given the same appreciation, admiration, and worship because all three symbolize God. (Now let's get into a conversation about the duality of God - ie. alpha and omega, etc. ...).
By the way, all of you who are wasting time correcting the QUESTION, scriptures are merely a guide and have been translated many times over the past several hundred years, so how YOU interpret them is completely determined by which version you are studying. Whether it's Wisdom, God or Jesus talking, the QUESTION is regarding the Trinity!
2006-12-30 11:40:06 · answer #4 · answered by Stacy Cuccia 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋
My question to you is this are you reading the King james version or the NIV? You need to be careful of interpretation so you are not being mislead. If you need me to give you an interpreation of this verse pleae let me know. But know this this deals with Wisdom not Christ.
Note: These support verses below describes Christ presence at the beginning of the world.
See: Collosians 1:15-17, Collosians 2:2-3, Revelations 3:14
Also: John 8:58 (Note: Ex 3:14 "I AM" belongs to God) This claims Jesus is God therefore always existed
2006-12-30 12:26:30 · answer #5 · answered by jackbarrowiii 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The interesting point is found in Genesis When GOD says :
Let US Make man in OUR own image!
In the beginning GOD created ...
In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD was God. ( Jesus is the WORD)
The Trinity consists of
GOD THE FATHER
GOD THE SON
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT
3 persons all of the ONE DIVINE NATURE! DEUTERONOMY 6:4
The DIETY posses the divine nature. the name of this nature is GOD
In Hebrew, it is Elohim
In Greek it is Theos
In English it is God
There is but 1 God, because there is but 1 nature.
They are spoken of as: Where a part is spoken of as the whole, or the WHOLE as a part
Each of the 3 are called GOD in the scriptures.
Contact me for more info if sincerely interested.
Christian in PA
2006-12-30 11:50:56 · answer #6 · answered by Penny Mae 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Wrong! The verse is referring to Wisdom, "I am Wisdom, I am better than jewels ..." verse Proverbs 8:11.
Jesus was most definitely not created:
Jesus said to them, “I tell you the solemn truth, 1 before Abraham came into existence, I am!” (John 8:58.)
Addition: The Link below is for the Athanasian Creed which is a very good explaination of the Trinity
2006-12-30 12:03:08 · answer #7 · answered by Bad bus driving wolf 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
The Holy Trinity is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit!
2006-12-30 11:50:00 · answer #8 · answered by Gerry 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Being subject to Time, we always think about cause and effect being in sequence.
Being God eternal such concept has no meaning. It makes no sense.
No timing should be given to any God's action. It has been there since ever and forever. Including the Creation.
About the Trinity, I was told they are just three aspects or parts of God.
2006-12-30 11:50:22 · answer #9 · answered by PragmaticAlien 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
maybe my translation is different:
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was
Jesus Christ was God, the trinity is a hard one to explain. I asked if I could use it b/c it was said so much better than myself before . . . the trinity is like time . . .past, present and future . . . they are all three separate but the same.
2006-12-30 11:53:32 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Proverbs 8 is talking about Wisdom... notice in the rest of the chapter it is reffered to as female... Jesus was not created
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the word WAS GOD .... vs 14 and the Word BECAME Flesh and made His dwelling among us
2006-12-30 11:38:17 · answer #11 · answered by impossble_dream 6 · 3⤊ 3⤋