Non-believers,would robots be justified in thier thinking?

Question

If we(humans)made intelligent robots able to think for themselves and stuff;and in an alternate universe or deminsion we make robotic planet,stars,solar systems ect.Basically everything we have here except its robotic.We put all kinds of things in the robo world for our intelligent free-will robots to have and enjoy.Now after all that,we(the creators)leave some subtle clues for the robots to find to figure out that there are humans that created them.
But then along thier existence in this seperarate universe,they have figured out some,not a lot but some how we(the creators)made thier world they live in.So they get big heads and become prideful.They adopt the idea thier is no creator(s)and they made themselves;or that their random accidents.
We can see them and everything they do and say;but they cant see us becuase we reside in a different deminsion.

Question:Are the robots justified in believing there s no creator(s) cause they cant immediately percieve us?Evan thoug we left them

subtle clues that there is is a creator and we do exist?

Justified?Or not?Explain answer please?

Answer 1

Why would we care?

Answer 2

Yes. Completely justified.

You suggest that only "subtle clues" would be left behind by this race of creators. That indicates to me that such "subtle clues" would be in opposition to "overwhelming factual evidence" on the other side of the arguement. While, in the case of your robots, you have already told us that there is IN FACT a creator (or a group of them really) and the idea that there wasn't one would be a fallacy, it would still be a justifiable belief, there being only "subtle" and minor evidence to the contrary. Remember that to justify an idea doesn't require absolute proof, it only requires that you establish the idea to be a reasonable possibility in the minds of others. Jusification is in the eye of the jury.

If they did not believe in us, perhaps it was our own fault for leaving them insufficient evidence to support our own existance. Perhaps we could have written a big sign on their moon saying "so long and good luck with your new planet" or something.

In the case of the robots, however, you began with the axiomatic assertation of an intelligent creator. We humans aren't so lucky. We don't have a concrete indication that the universe really was created by spirit beings, for our enjoyment, the only perceivable traces of which might just as well be naturally occuring phenomena from our point of veiw. Where is the big sign on the moon that says "So long and good luck with Earth"? We didn't get it. I guess that means that if there IS a creator, he didn't want us to know about him.

Again, totally justified to be an atheist. Even if it turns out to be untrue.

Answer 3

Why should we be so arrogant and prideful as to say that they don't have the right to that decision when we only left subtle clues?... And furthermore, why should we even deserve the slightest ammoubnt of respect from them for such a move? Create a pocket universe and put robots in it because those robots don't have the right to be in the same existance as us? Go through all of that effort when it would be inifinitely simpler to let robots exist on the same plane as us, while only leaving "subtle" clues. Why not let them pass back and forth? I'd say there'sa very good chance they'd have every right to full out loathe us, we'd get off lightly in being thought non-existance.

Do you assume robots should serve their human masters mindlessly and worship us?... Even assuming it's more convenient to create a virtual secondary world for them (not a pocket dimension, just a simulated AI-world), if they wish to deny our existance, there's nothing wrong with that other than an indignant knee-jerk relaction, especially if it isn't proven.

Of course, humans inately have abilities of self-modification greater than those possessed by humans (at least pre-singularity). As such, robots are capable of becoming better versions of themselves, and due to their more modular archetecture, could more easily become more intelligent, stronger, faster, more spiritual,and overall better than us. What then? Should they still worship something they have surpassed that was once their equivelant?

Though you do make me ask: What if God was a relatively simple being, capable of bringing life on earth into existance, but not as intelligent as modern man?

Answer 4

Did you just watch the movie "ROBOTS" or what?
That's a lot of words going in circles. Making my head spin.
If robots had...and then....but if....belief in......sorry
no comprende.

Oh that.
Here it is in a nutshell or robot shell if you prefer:)
If God wanted to make a real point, why didn't he just get to it?
I mean he's God. Just come out and say it and spell it out.
He can do anything he wants.
It would have taken all of 3 or 4 sentences tops. Poof! We get it.
Free will would have been so much easier from there.
It would have saved a huge amount of wrangling about and a great deal of heartache.
Interpreting this, looking for signs their......waste of valuable time and effort.
Seems all a bit silly really.
Probably should be a do over.

Answer 5

There's no real way to answer that, as it is all speculative in nature. By Non-believers, do you mean everyone who doesn't follow your particular form of religion (let's take a wild guess.....Some form of Born Again Christian), or are you allowing for all the "Believers" of their own respective religions? I am guessing that that religion can't possibly have any allowance for Evolution in it either, as you are making a strong statement against it in your analogy. Instead of making Science Fiction Parables, why don't you just come right out and preach to us instead of hiding behind silly stories, as anyone with half a brain can see your point. Finally, I will hazard an answer, it is entirely impossible for the Robots to forget, as they have not reproduced over generations, and since they are machines of pure logic, they would know that they had been created, and none of their history would be lost through the miss-tellings of generations after generations of Robots.

Answer 6

It is not prideful to believe you are the result of natural causes, no more important than an ant. It is, however, immensely prideful and egotistical to believe you alone have the answers, that you alone know the truth and are going to be rewarded. Atheism is the most humbling belief out there, to know you are worth nothing, not special or useful or cared for by the great man in the sky.

your answer:
It is not wrong to believe the most obvious answer, that if something is not here now, it was not here to begin with. If these subtle clues leave no trace or tangible evidence, wouldn't it be crazy to believe in them? To believe in something that is incomprehensible, beyond logical belief?

Answer 7

Muddled thinking I'm afraid, together with the usual nonsense that to think that we have no special place in the universe means that we atheists are more arrogant than those who think the whole 30 billion light years of the universe was created just for us, I mean how much more arrogant can you get?

And if you really did discover any evidence at all of design you'd get a first ballot Nobel Prize and a couple of million dollars. Go on....

Answer 8

If we created a universe that appeared not to have been created, certainly. It all hinges on what you mean by "subtle clues". Do you mean "evidence" or something else?

Your question is pretty amusing but pointless, since you're asking "what if I'm right [in this robo-universe you concieved], would you be justified in believing I was wrong?". Well what if you're wrong then?

Answer 9

two naive young robots fall in love and run away to get married. for a while they live happily together, but one day one of the robots expresses the desire to hear the clank of tiny metallic feet. so they try for a baby robot. year after year they try but to no avail, so they decide to visit their local robotic mechanic. when they explained their desire to the mechanic, he laughed so loud he almost burst his hydraulics. "you did what eeeooohhh!!!" he exclaimed. and he patiently explained to them that they had to go to a factory to get their babies built. one of the young robots was very shocked, "you mean that we are not a natural phenomenon, we're not the product of billions of years of evolution. the mechanic shook his head, 'fraid not, just look at the evidence, we can only exist if we are manufactured, we don't have transmittable DNA like all of the other critters, we are not obviously linked to the natural world. there is no fossil evidence of our descent, you don't dig toasters with legs out of coal mines. if we had evolved we would have numerous defects such as, our optical devices could possibly have the outputs to the vision processing centre back to front, or your energy processing system would have vestigial fossil components no longer used. these defects build up as evolving life forms can only work with what they've got in their DNA. we, on the other hand, can build you a perfect baby robot, the best design our artificial intelligences can come up with, you'll have to keep rebuilding it though, unless you want it to stay small and leave puddles of oil all over the place". "ah", said the male analogue robot, " i get it now, there is no logical progression from the natural world to us, we are unique and outside nature, and ,therefore logically, we must have been created". "you got it son", said the mechanic, "ain't that right bob", he said to the naked monkey sitting in the corner. "that's right doc", chirruped bob. and they all laughed. "it's damned cute how they do that, you could almost believe it understood us".

Answer 10

Would we humans truly care if the robots believed in us or not? Would be be so silly to make them burn forever and ever and ever if they didn't believe in us?

Or would we maybe blame ourselves a little for the "subtle clues" we left them, that were obviously way too vague to be believed in?

Or would we be just and fair to the robots, and let them believe whatever they wanted, without putting some horrible consequences to it?

Face it, we humans are much better than your God.

Answer 11

First of all foolish one, robots cannot have emotion. They will be complete mechanical copies of their creators!

That what being a robot is all about. They cannot think, feel, or hear because they are artificial COPIES!!!

It only appears that way because they MIMIC human qualities, thereby giving them the appearance of thinking, or being, when it is their creator that they are taking clues of IMITATIONAL living.