As America was founded by and built buy illegal aliens, why object to a few more?

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I have never understood the attitude of US citizens to immigration. A large chunk of Mexico was stolen by America and settled by illegal European immigrants, now Mexicans are denied the right to freely live in what was there own country, You are all familiar with the genocide committed against real (native) Americans. You all benefit from that bloodshed. At least those coming here now are not exterminating you and destroying your nation to build a new one. So what is your beef?
Please try and refrain from racist diatribe, how about some reasoned thought through answers for a change.

History is done, we cannot change it. When we try to distort or deny it demeans us and our nation.
Everybody’s ancestors have done something we may dislike, we cannot be blamed for their actions, but we can redress some of their wrongs by our present actions.
No one wants uncontrolled unmonitored migration into their country, that would be madness (witness the nightmare happening in Briton right now).
We realise that in order to progress we need a system of immigration which is fair, allowing in those who come to genuinely contribute and help to build and sustain America. This modern country was built by peoples from all over the world, some came voluntarily, some (like the Irish were starved out of their own country and fled here) some (like the Africans) were forcedly brought here as slaves. Many just came to escape persecution or to find a better life.
Whatever the reasons we are all here, trying to build something. If we dont learn from the past, how do we build a better future

Incedently in a democracy we are allowed to question our leaders and ourselves, members of my family have fought and died so you all can have this right, accusing those who do so of hating America is idiotic and inane and makes us all look like the rest of the world trie to portray us.

Answer 1

yiou know, you just made me look at it in another light. these subjects have so many facets, i know i didnt think it through well enough. thank you and happy new year.

Answer 2

this is an answer to you an comments to the rest.

1st puchase of the land was only for some states, don't have all the details on my mind, but I think some of the south or west states, most of the land was "conquered" through some kind of conflict with the native indians, as is the case with the rest of South America.

2nd America or the U.S. was colonized by Europeans and the slaves they brought. This Europeans in their majority were escaping the persecution of religious sects, like the protestants, or were sent there.

America was not built on Illegal aliens as when they arrived to the contitnent there were now immigration laws, people just moved and traveled and settled themselves.

In the later years once the Federation was established immigration was done through laws, those that escaped the wars in Europe had to go through the normal immingration process, or be accepted as refugees. Althgough back then the laws were not as harsh as they are now.

Any country has the right to decide who has the right to come into the country, for what purpose and for how long. This is not something new, and people need to accept that. The U.S. has the right to protect its citizens by limiting the amount of foreginers allowed to work.

Besides it is not only Mexicans, it is a mixed group of south american and latin countries but they all go through Mexico as it is the neighboring country, What about the Cubans that arrive on rafts? Although Cubans are accepted as political refugees.

Feel free to comment.

Answer 3

The United States was NOT founded and built by "illegal" aliens. For an action to be "illegal" generally means that there is a law prohibiting the aforementioned action. Back in 1492 when Columbus came to what is now the US, there was no law prohibiting such an action (immigration). Therefore, any immigration prior to the establishment of immigration LAW (which didn't happen in the US until passage of the Immigration Act of 1924) can NOT be construed, in any legal sense, as being "illegal".

As for a large chunk of Mexico being "stolen", if you checked your history book, you would find out that the area commonly known as the "Mexican Annex" was actually bought by the US for $15 million. The US did not have to pay Mexico any money for the land, as the US won the Mexican-American War and by right could have taken the land without compensation (thus is the spoils of war and Manifest Destiny). However, being somewhat (I say somewhat only because the price offered was a low-ball offer, but again, that's the right of the victor of war) honorable, the US agreed to pay the $15 million, plus forgive $3.25 million in Mexican debt to the US. The Gadsden Purchase occured a few years later and the US paid Mexico $10 million for a very small strip of land that runs from Yuma, AZ to El Paso, TX. Stolen? No. Bought? Yes.

As for Mexicans being able to "freely live in what was their (sic) own country", the operative word in that sentence is WAS. Past tense. Mexico no longer owns that land, so no longer has any right to settle there without the CURRENT owner's permission. And since the current owner (US) doesn't give Mexico permission to freely inhabit the area, then they shouldn't be there.

The beef is that NOW that the US has established immigration LAW, that law needs to be FOLLOWED. I too am an immigrant, but I FOLLOWED THE LAW to get here. It's a slap in the face to myself (and others like me who obeyed immigration law) that others can come here WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE LAW.

Answer 4

I will refrain from racist diatribe and you try to refrain from hating America first. Then do some research and get your facts straight before posting an inflammatory and inaccurate question here.
AMERICA did NOT steal a large chunk of Mexico and European immigrants were NOT illegal immigrants to Mexico. Genocide was NOT committed against native Americans.
Immigrants from European countries and the USA settled in Mexico. There was NO law forbidding this and, in fact, they were welcome.
Mexican government's failure to protect the settlers from marauding Indians and the governments rampant corruption lead to the settlers rising up and fighting a war of independence. This resulted in a free independent nation named Texas. Some years later, Texas asked the USA to become a state.
While the USA wanted to buy California from Mexico, the Mexicans would not sell. But instead became the aggressors in a war against the USA. This suited the US just fine and the US promptly kicked Mexico's behind and took as spoils of war the territory they had tried to buy.
The American Indian or aboriginal peoples of north America suffered incidents of discrimination and occasional violence at the hands of some of the settlers who came to America. The Indians generally were nomadic war like peoples happily killing each other for hunting and gathering territory all along. It did not work with the white man and a long bloody war was prosecuted against these peoples. At no time was it ever genocide. It was a cruel war, but no genocide. The Indians were subjected to exactly the same type of warfare which had been prosecuted against the Confederate States of America, but the same US Generals, Sheridan and Sherman. Sheridan bragged that he had destroyed all the food in the Shenandoah valley of VA and likewise he killed the buffalo, the Indian's food source. He knew how to bring people to their knees and he did. He never attempted to kill all the Indians, only enough of them and their food source to defeat them.
Our laws are clear about the rules for immigration and we ARE a nation of laws, not a collection of bands of roving belligerent warring hunter gathers with no written language. (By the way, don't tell the lie that the Cherokees had a written language. It was a white man that created their written language.)
Last, but not least, the illegal immigrants are killing real Americans and they are destroying our nation.

Answer 5

Another johnny come lately whose purpose is to use its own "racist diatribe" to incite. Try this thumb nail of history.
Spain invaded what is today central Mexico in 1519. They annihilated, (see genocide) the male portions of 13 distinct groups in their invasion march north and west. Early 1700's they violated the original European agreement and brought their genocide Illegally across the Rio Grande river. ( See the pattern of them as Illegal and Invaders?), just upholding a family tradition...Right?
When the north/central Europeans moving west, met the now half Spanish invading from the south, a fight ensued and the now Mexicans lost and were sent packing back to that land originally covered in the original European agreement.
Your rant historically wrong, and this "At least those coming here now are not exterminating you and destroying your nation to build a new one"... Wrong! By invading and not assimilating they are,
Trying to force a change (exterminate...and destroy) the language and customs of those that they have invaded. They are trying/attempting to build a nation as Failed as the one the "fled".
If their home nation was so grand, why didn't they stay there?

Answer 6

Talk about the present, not the past. What people did in the past is beyond our control. The US has a way to enter this country legally. If you want to live here, follow the rules and do it by the book. If not, stay out! We need laws that make illegal entry into the US a federal crime and those that provides no benefits whatsoever to illegals - including schools, welfare and food stamps. There should also be laws that prosecute anyone who hires an illegal alien and it should be done under the Patriot Act, since those illegal aliens could be terrorists. It's time to get tough, not to talk about the things our ancestors did, for crying out loud!!!!

Answer 7

First off this country was not founded by Illegal aliens. It was founded on immagrants. Secondly we're not talking about a few more. 10 or 20 is a few. Hundreds of thousands is another matter entirely. I am hispanic and I don't have a problem wirh people of any nationality coming to the U.S. legally and within the laws of our country. HOWEVER I do have a problem with people sneaking over the border in a flagrant disregard to our laws for their own selfish reasons. A large number of people that do this are not "hard working people who want to make a better life for themselves" They are people to come to this country to exploit what honest hardworking americans have built. They come and expect welfare assistance and health care and assistance to pay for a place to live when legal citizens live on the streets and starve. I think until we take care of our own people, we should not allow Illegal's to come. IT IS ILLEGAL!! people should not be rewarded with citizenship for breaking lhe law.
It's like me walking into your house and saying....."Hey man, i notice you have an extra bedroom, i'm just gonna go ahead and take that for myself......oh and by the way can you make me a sandwich?"
I understand the trials and tribulations of some unfortunate people in other countries, but if you let everyone across without any regard for what could happen we'll end up all bum rushing canada when nothing is left.

Answer 8

Why Amnesty for Illegals is Bad Idea



In 1986, Congress passed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) giving amnesty — legal forgiveness — to all illegal aliens who had successfully evaded justice for four years or more or were illegally working in agriculture. As a result, 2.8 million illegal aliens were admitted as legal immigrants to the United States. In addition, they have so far brought in an additional 142,000 dependents. An Immigration and Naturalization Service study found that after ten years in the United States, the average amnestied illegal alien had only a seventh grade education and an annual salary of less than $9,000 a year.

Unlike immigrants with a sponsor who guarantees they will not become a burden on the public, when Congress enacts an amnesty, it makes the American public financially responsible for those amnestied.

The cost of amnesties to the American taxpayer is staggering.

An amnesty sends the message that it is okay to break the law.

Amnesty threatens homeland security.
And why would any American want people who disrespect our flag and use up our resources like we owe it to them to be in our country illegally? http://www.flagstuff.com/blog/2006/03/29/illegal-mexicans-hoist-the-mexican-flag-above-an-upside-down-american-flag/

Answer 9

There is no such a thing as ‘American’ nationality, America is not a nation America is a continent with many nations in it. The US never named itself the name of the United States is a designation it comes from the end of the Declaration of Independence, "WE, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in GENERAL CONGRESS, Assembled...". The preamble to the U.S. Constitution reiterated the phrase: "We the People of the United States..." (The authors of these two documents probably used the phrase "united states" in place of a list of colonies/states because they remained uncertain at the time of drafting which colonies/states would sign off on the sentiments therein.) The geographic term "America" specifies the states' home on the American continent.

It is therefor incorrect to refer to US citizens as Americans with the intent of denoting citizenship, or the United States as America with the intent of denoting a nation. Americans have a term for US citizens, we are called United Statesians by the rest of Americans, to say American with the intent of denoting citizenship or America when we mean the United States reflects poorly on our attitude towards the 70% of Americans that are not United Statesians.

That said, if immigrants want to come to the US they should follow United Statesian laws. Those that are already here should be given the right to stay and work, but in the future all immigration should be something the US allows not something that is forced upon us.

Answer 10

It is convenient and more comforting to forget history than to admit we are ruling conquorers with a savage & brutal past.

The Illegal immigrant issue is only a political ploy to offset the powers in office. This is no different than when the Chinese, Irish or other waves of immigrants came here.

They woudl all have been illegal too under the present immigration system because there is no legal way for a common general labourer to enter this country. The immigration system has to recognise requirements for general labor visas, at present there is none!

That is the fault of all past governments, not just Bush!!

Answer 11

Hard working Americans built this country, from the ground up. Now, you think illegal aliens should come and reap the benefits?
You are the one who needs to do some thinking.