Also if you are a true atheist (not believing in god) you are stating that you are all knowing in all subjects, because GOD could be existent behind anything, or existent in any subject you may not understand.
It takes great faith to support the Theory of something created out of nothing.
2006-12-30 07:28:09 · 19 answers · asked by RangerWright 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I was hoping for a explanation not weak feelings and unsupporting facts.
2006-12-30 07:37:19 · update #1
Big Bang fly in the face of science and the laws and principals of thermodynamics. Lets be logical people
Vote negative if makes you feel better.
2006-12-30 07:46:51 · update #2
Very interesting point. Most atheists however are agnostics which assumes that they are not sure if something was created out of nothing or if God exists.
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2006-12-30 07:30:57 · answer #1 · answered by truthhandl3r 3 · 0⤊ 3⤋
The big bang theory explains how the matter which comprises the universe began expanding, not how the matter got there in the first place. The most logical idea is that the matter which comprises the universe always existed, in some form or another.
Way to be educated, though. Really, you've impressed me. And I swear that isn't sarcasm. I would never use that.
2006-12-30 15:31:06 · answer #2 · answered by Evil Atheist Cannibal 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
As a Buddhist, I am told by the religious Faiths and others such as your learned self that because I don't adhere to any Dogma or worship a Deity that I qualify as an Athiest, so I suppose that I qualify as one of the subjects of your question. Forgive me for asking the question here but...would that be a correct assumption..? I ask for clarification only. I'll assume that I do and answer you on that basis.
To your question then...How can I, as an Athiest believe that something came out of nothing.?
What is it that I believe that came out of nothing...? Buddhists don't even believe in the Lord Buddha's Teaching, we are instructed to specifically Not believe it, further we are instructed to discover the Truths therein by personal experience of them.
If you are speaking of scientific theory, again I am at a loss to understand why you target me as an Athiest. I'm not concerned with the vaidity or not of scientific theories, as a Buddhist my concern lays in attaining enlightenment and the end of suffering for all Beings, including you my learned friend.
As for God...The Lord Buddha taught in the Dharma that there are several higher Realms of existence, I have yet to experience this for myself and so I leave the validity of this Teaching to the future, unexamined and open for interpretation by more learned folks. However, that said, He did Teach that residing in these Realms were Gods as well as other Life Forms, but he definitely said Gods. As I said I haven't experienced these so will leave the question unanswered but NOT IGNORED.
Your statement that because I don't believe in Gods (which as the above paragraph clearly states is UNTRUE) therefore I am stating that I know all subjects...this is clearly a lie, I've never and will never state this. Please don't ever put words into another person's mouth it is highly inflammatory and for a Buddhist...extremely offensive.
I'm afraid your last statement is untenable, and clearly it is meant to inflame. The support of a Theory does not and never will take any Faith at all. On the contrary, a theory can only be postulated with great evidence or it is only ever an hypothesis. Please, please use the correct terms or your argument is rendered ridiculous.
There is absolutely nothing in the Buddha's Teaching (Dharma)which sprang out of nothing to exist. I do not understand why you have included Buddhists in your question. I don't think you have the right to inflame others or posulate ridiculous and untenable claims of others beliefs. As a Christian you disappoint me with the extremist and inflammatory remarks you make with no justification or cause, I expected more from a person with a Loving and obviously compassionate Deity such as you proclaim to follow. I hope there are others in your Faith with a better understanding of your Faith.
And a few days after your Deities' Son's birthday too...shame on you....What would He think...?
Peace in the season of Joy from a Buddhist
2006-12-30 17:48:27 · answer #3 · answered by Gaz 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
So where did your god come from?
Of course the universe didn't come out of nothing. We just don't know what yet. Are you willing to give up on science so fast?
And your argument about being 'all-knowing' makes no sense, no more then you claiming to know there is a god with no evidence means that YOU know everything. I am simply saying that I see no evidence for a god, so I choose not to spend any more time on the matter.
2006-12-30 15:32:20 · answer #4 · answered by eri 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
How do you know it was nothing?
If we (Humans) ever get to the point of being able to create a big bang with the use of human technology (in 400 or 40000 or4000000 years) - then isn't it possible that human beings created us?
Man (not us) +evolution - then goes on to create big bang ---
We result from this and--we go on to create big bang--
Man results from this and goes on to create a big bang...
The proof (which makes this theory about 200 times better than christianity) of this theory is human technology and it's development over the last 100 years, who's to say we won't be able to recreate a big bang in the distant future, in 200, 200,000 or 2million years?
If this is a concievable possibility then we were created by humans not unlike ourselves..
2006-12-30 15:40:16 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
As an agnostic, now I'm going to get it from both sides, I would actually agree with you about the central thesis that atheism is a form of faith, faith in the non-existence of God.
I must admit that I have more sympathy for those who reject the concept of God as defined by organized western religion. There are clear logical proofs that make the existence of such a being not only unlikely but incompatible with any internal logical consistency. Just for an example of two major arguments in this vein:
Theodicy, which confronts the conundrum of a good and benevolent creator and a world that contains evil. In short, how does evil come into existence in a world made solely from a good God? everything in the universe is necessarily of that God. if it is evil then it too comes from god which means that God would have not only the capacity for evil but also would, necessarily, contain evil himself. The only argument that carries any internal consistency against this point of view (IMO) is that stating that God must necessarily create evil in order to allow for the greater good of free will, without which man would be an automaton expressing only the good which is God. A weak argument, I think, which is further complicated by the next fundamental problem. Please see the link below for more details.
Free Will and Omniscience in God, which posits, more or less, that Man's free will is incompatible with a God who is outside of time and all knowing. The fact of God's perfect knowledge of all of time means that all of our actions are KNOWN by God in advance of their actual existence in linear time as we experience it and, therefore, are predetermined.
I've severely oversimplified these arguments for the sake of space here. There is much material on these ideas in great books throughout history by both theological scholars and philosophers both atheist and believers, i.e. Kant.
Also, as others have pointed out in this argument, and in the ancient past, whether you believe in god or not, you are positing something out of nothing. The "where did God come from?" question is not solved simply by God's "existence" just as the existence of the universe does not solve the riddle of what came before. Cosmology may give us insights into the process of the creation of the universe as it exists today but it cannot presuppose to explain a "before" state, or an "initial" causal state.
So, that is why I am an agnostic. Not because I lack a point of view. I believe that God, at least as posited by most organized theology, is inconsistent with what I observe around me and what I/mankind have learned about the natural world and, most importantly, my own mind and perceived freedom of will. I do not, however, assume to have perfect knowledge of such non-existence and so would consider atheism as a further step expressing my absolute faith in that non-existence. That is a step that I am not prepared to take.
I hope this provides some explanation of the problems that many of us have with God, at least western God, and why some might go a step further and say that God simply doesn't exist.
And for all you atheists out there. There is, indeed, a difference between NOT believing in God and specifically stating knowledge of or belief in non-existence. This is simply a rational acceptance of basic logic. Non-belief does not require what I would call active disbelief. I too find no compelling evidence for the existence of God or the supernatural and so do not believe in God. I do not, however, feel a compulsion to state that I believe there is no God. Call it a fine line but these lines need to be drawn in philosophy in order to make distinctions of importance between related lines of reasoning. For some more info on the general idea of the widely maligned agnosticism check out the link below.
As long as you're comfortable in your faith and do not seek to impose it or its strictures on others than there shouldn't be any problem with any of us feared and loathed "secular humanists."
2006-12-30 16:08:26 · answer #6 · answered by EMG 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No. We don't need to know all things to state gods do not exist. We merely have to point out the lack of evidence. It's up to you to show the evidence if you want us to believe your ridiculous claim.
I don't believe in santa clause either, but that doesn't mean I'm claiming to know everything. It just means I'm a rational adult.
Your question was "weak feelings and unsupporting facts." What do you want from us? You want better answers, ask an intelligent question next time.
2006-12-30 15:34:56 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Thats a pretty big stretch, only other theists will see these "points" as valid. Your reasoning is weak.
No, Atheists are not "stating that you are all knowing in all subjects", if you believe this, you're a damn idiot
"How can a theist believe that god came out of nothing?"
"How can a theist believe life came out of nothing?"
"How can a theist not believe the universe is, was, and always will be?"
2006-12-30 15:30:59 · answer #8 · answered by Dr. Douche 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
What if the universe has always been here, which means it's "infinitly old" If something has always been around, it was never created. So the question of if the universe was created, is meaningless. Humans place god in the picture.
2006-12-30 15:30:51 · answer #9 · answered by skunkgrease 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
It takes greater faith to glibly dismiss the lack of solid evidence for a creator, invent a cause with all kinds of human characteristics and label it God.
2006-12-30 15:31:40 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋