Mormons? Can you explain these?

Question

Can you give an explanation for the misinterpretaion (by Joseph Smith) of the Book of Abraham, which was actually translated later by French translators to be an Egyptian book of the dead?

Can you give an explanation of the supposed ancestry between Indians and Jews, but yet there is no DNA evidence linking the Jews and Indians, but there is DNA evidence linking the Indians to an Asian heritage.

R T -Book of Mormon teaches as historical fact that the Indian tribes in the Americas are descendents of Israelites who came across the Atlantic mainly about 600 BC. BUT... studies of 150 plus Indian tribes' DNA has revealed a total lack of any Semite (Israelite) genetic markers in the Indians in the Americas. www.mormonsinshock.com


Yes I have looked at parts of the Book of Abraham. I find NO critical scholars who agree with Joseph Smith and his translation.

Chaosjones-Say what? I never claimed to be smart for one. I asked two questions. I can hardly make sense of what you are asking. But, yes I am a Christian and I believe there is plenty of scriptural evidence to back up the trinity rather than your polytheistic God.

WWI Flying Ace-Use a source other than a Mormon source. it isn't very credible. Jeff Lindsay is quoted "Yes, I'm an active but highly imperfect member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (see LDS.org) and have written quite a lot about the Church and it's beliefs."

The idea is not that he is imperfect , but a member of the mormon church. Especially on issues such as translation, there needs to be sources apart from Mormonism. If indeed it says what it says, surely a secularist egyptian translator will come to the same conclusion that Joseph Smith did.

Buzz S- You are correct, the archives were later found though in a New York museum in the basement.

Cool- Considering that is what my Mormon friend at work calls them, that is also what I refer to them as.

Answer 1

There is no good explanation for these. They contend that the scrolls for the book of Abraham were burnt in the Chicago fire. It is true that they have been identified beyond a doubt to the secular community, but the Mormons still tell you there is no evidence that they have been found.

Dr. Thomas Murphy, a Mormon anthropologist admits we have a big problem here because what science is saying is true about the Indians not being Jewish. If a Mormon anthropologist says there is a big problem, then there is a ****BIG***** problem.

Answer 2

I’ve heard of this argument before, and although I’m not a geneticist or historian, I’m wondering why the Native Americans would even have DNA resembling Jews? The only link they would have with the Jews is Abraham. Mormons believe that that Native Americans are from Manasseh, the son of Joseph sold into Egypt. Not to mention that the genetic line had 2600 years to change from the time they original left Jerusalem according to the BoM. Now, if I remember from my high school classes correctly; that’s way more then enough time for genetics to mutate, change and adapt to the new environment of South America.

As for the DNA being closer to that of Asia? I can’t say for sure, except that their environment was much closer to what is in South America then what is in Jerusalem. Now, (not to be rude) unless you’re a geneticist with proof and reason the environments couldn’t make that much difference, and that the Native Americans should be still closely related to the “Jews” today; I think your making a moot point and you differently not asking a question looking for answers. I’m sorry, just for the fact you called them “Indians” tells me you don’t know what you’re talking about any more then I do. Sorry, this isn’t the way to prove your points.

Answer 3

Well, Asia were descendants of shem early on . The jews were desendants of Shem through Judah. The indians were descendents of Shem through Joseph. Why wouldn't there be a connection to the indians and Asia, Besides, the berring straight would have allowed a much later connection with the indians to the asians. The link with the eskimos and the Navajo Indians is there along with other asians. What is wrong with that?

Other translators have agreed with the Translaion. Have you read the Book of Abraham, I doubt it.

Answer 4

If your as smart as you think you are explain why 1/4 native Americans explain of have DNA or genetic markers in there DNA which is only found in people of European decent as for your so called unnamed French scientist have Obviously you don't know what your talking about you are probably a Born Again Christen who believes in the holy trinity. If 1 +1+1 = 1 how can you be little more than god fearing atheist. So either Joseph Smith was right or Christianity as a whole is false.

Answer 5

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized in Fayette, New York, on April 6, 1830, under the leadership of Joseph Smith, Jr.. Smith was raised in northwestern New York, where he reported a number of heavenly visions and visitations by angels. According to his own account, while he was an adolescent during the early 1820s, Smith saw God the Father and Jesus Christ in what is known as the First Vision. Smith also said he was told where to find an ancient record referred to as the Golden Plates from an angel named Moroni, and dictated a translation of those plates, which he published in 1830 as the Book of Mormon.

According to Smith and his close associate Oliver Cowdery, an angel gave both of them the authority to baptize and to build up a new church, meant to be a restoration of 1st-century Christianity. This church, originally called the Church of Christ, was formed in April 1830 in Manchester or Fayette, New York, but soon after the conversion of Church of Christ (Campbellite) minister Sidney Rigdon in Kirtland, Ohio, most of its members moved to Ohio in 1831.

In Ohio, the church built a temple, and sent missionaries to various places, including Jackson County, Missouri, where the church built up branches. After a series of financial problems with Kirtland Safety Society, a bank, the main body of members moved briefly to Missouri in 1838, but after the 1838 Mormon War, they were forced to establish a new center in Nauvoo, Illinois.

In Nauvoo, the church grew rapidly, began building a temple, and sent out missionaries to Canada and England. Smith served as a religious, political, and military leader. In 1844, after a conflict with an antagonistic newspaper over Smith's alleged practice of "spiritual wifery", Smith and his brother Hyrum were arrested, taken to Carthage, Illinois, and then both of them were killed by a mob on June 27, 1844.

In the aftermath of the deaths of Smith and his brother Hyrum, his presumed successor,[4] several church leaders campaigned to lead the church, a time known as the Succession Crisis. The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, led by Brigham Young, claimed succession. The apostles quickly returned from their missions in America and abroad and were accepted as successor by the largest body of adherents.

Answer 6

Yes

Answer 7

Yes, they can explain it. Any contradiction to fact can be rationalized away if you believe something strongly enough.

Of course, it won't be convincing to us, just them. But that's all that matters to them anyway. The same is true of Christians, Hindus, Muslims, and the rest.