I came across a breeder of "Olde English Pocket Beagles" what is the legitimacy of this claim??

Question

I know the evils of breeders of so-called teacup whatevers, but this site doesn't claim to have bred the size down. It actually makes the claim that the "pocket" beagles were used for hunting before the beagles that we know today. There's just something that doesn't seem right about it, though *possibly the fact that they're charging $1000+ for a BEAGLE. they're great and all, but... don't get me started on that. Also, I've never heard of a tiny beagle, I thought they were small as it was*
I'm not in the market for one, so don't give me any crap about me wasteing my money or blah blah blah, I don't want to hear it. Even if I was, since when was the term "my money" synonomous with "your money?"
Anyways, is it a real breed *obviously not recongnized by the AKC, but not all breeds are, and I'm NOT reffering to designer dogs* that's just very little known, or bogus?
http://www.pocketbeaglesusa.com/

I don't claim to know all that much, but Tyke, you're claiming to have read this question. I never said I was interested in one of these dogs. I said I wasn't interested, hadn't heard of the breed, and wanted to know if it was real or not. I know I hadn't meantioned that the puppies on the page by no means looked uniform in facial features *a few pups had wrinkles on their face, i dunno what that's reffered to, but i ain't never seen a true beagle pup that looked like that*

But anyways, it was a question of the legitimacy, having nothing to do with me wanting one. And there are such things as little known breeds that aren't commonly spoke of *breeds accetpted by the AKC don't count* but there are hundreds of breeds people don't beleive exist simply because THEY reffuse the AKC, and I've heard that it's because the AKC is very money oriented, and alot of the smaller breed clubs don't much like that.

Answer 1

Its bogus.
Beagles in England are followed on foot not on horseback. Some mounted packs do have carried dogs but these are terriers for when a fox has gone to ground.
Actually only one size Beagle is recognized by The Kennel Club and the desirable size range is from 13" - 16".

Answer 2

Bogus

She claims to be registering these dogs and showing through UKC. This is not the United Kennel Club, since they don't recognize a breed by this name, therefore it's probably the Universal Kennel Club, which is a sham registry.

The Beagle Club of America has this to say:
"What is a pocket beagle?

Pocket beagles were very, very small beagle popularized back in the days of Queen Elizabeth I. measuring 9 inches at the shoulder, and Paintings of the time show these beagles to be short-legged and somewhat pointy nosed. In the days of Edward II and Henry VIII, even smaller beagles, referred to as "glove beagles" because they were small enough to to be held in a gauntlet, were much in favor with the Royal Family. However, today, while there may be a few really small 13" variety beagles which may approach heights of around 10", they are not a breed or variety of beagle as such, and are not recognized by either AKC or UKC. Quite often beagles of this size are often only short by virtue of shortened legs caused by poor breeding or the dwarfing of chondodystrophy (see the Health problems page) with it's ensuing health problems. It must also be noted that many times it is impossible to predict mature size of a puppy, even when both parents are under 13". Birth weight may be a good indicator of final size, as is size at around 8 weeks, but they are no means reliable. If you want a beagle that will be small get one at around 9 months when the dog has pretty well finished growing, or from a breeder who has never produced an over 13". In this way you will have a much better chance of getting a small dog. However, be also aware that usually the smaller the beagle, the more hyperactive it is. But, there are exceptions."

Answer 3

Pocket beagles were very, very small beagle popularized back in the days of Queen Elizabeth I. measuring 9 inches at the shoulder, and Paintings of the time show these beagles to be short-legged and somewhat pointy nosed.

In the days of Edward II and Henry VIII, even smaller beagles, referred to as "glove beagles" because they were small enough to to be held in a gauntlet, were much in favor with the Royal Family. However, today, while there may be a few really small 13" variety beagles which may approach heights of around 10", they are not a breed or variety of beagle as such, and are not recognized by either AKC or UKC.

Quite often beagles of this size are often only short by virtue of shortened legs caused by poor breeding or the dwarfing of chondodystrophy with it's ensuing health problems.

It must also be noted that many times it is impossible to predict mature size of a puppy, even when both parents are under 13". Birth weight may be a good indicator of final size, as is size at around 8 weeks, but they are no means reliable. If you want a beagle that will be small get one at around 9 months when the dog has pretty well finished growing, or from a breeder who has never produced an over 13".

In this way you will have a much better chance of getting a small dog. However, be also aware that usually the smaller the beagle, the more hyperactive it is. But, there are exceptions.

Answer 4

It is a bogus claim. Some of these people are breeding other dogs in to reduce size, ending up with mutts. There is a person that breeds "Queen Elizabeth Pocket Beagles" who even admits that she has crossed with Doxies! If you really want a smaller beagle, then look for a good breeder that breed's 13 inch beagles. You might do better by finding a good show breeder.

Answer 5

Hey there

We just bought a beagle pup, she is now 10 weeks old. In regards to your question about how much they are charging, if you are going to a reputable, registered breeder it is common to pay around $600-$800 for a pup.

Like one poster said, she lives around an area where Beagles are common and still used for hunting... where I live they aren't that common so I would not be paying $100 for a dog (unless it came from the pound or rescue etc). Like I said because you are going to a good breeder you do expect to pay more for the pup but in the long run you are paying less as the pup will generally be in better health etc.

I would not be buying a pocket beagle, plain and simple. Like someone mentioned, AKC recognises beagles in two sizes: under 13" and to 15". It is easier to predict the size of the dog according to its parents but there is no guarentee as to what size it will grow to.

The info above about the history great too :)

Answer 6

If you actually look up the cross reference to the scripture at John 18: 6 you will notice it points to John 7:46 where it states "The officers replied: “Never has [another] man spoken like this.” They knew he was the "Christ" which is Greek for Messiah. It says nothing about Him being God. Along similar lines, we could read Philippians 2:9, where the apostle Paul describes what God did after Jesus died and was resurrected. The verse says: "God exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name." If Jesus was God or equal to God before he died and God later exalted him to a higher position, would that not put Jesus above God? Yet how could anyone become superior to God? And if he was God before he died, how can God die? There is no "mystery" here. Jesus is the Son of God. Also, God always referred to Jesus as his son, and Jesus always referred to God as his father, showing that God was older and had more authority. He also said that he came to do God's will and not his own, showing two wills; his father and his. Two separate wills. If you want to go on believing that God has three heads, then you must have three too, since you were created in his image!

Answer 7

They used to exist, like your first answerer said, but the bloodlines aren't around anymore, so I would be skeptical of that.

The AKC and UKC recognize two beagle sizes. Under 13" and 13" to 15". In either case, I really don't think I would pay $1000 for a beagle. In my area, where they're still used for hunting, you wouldn't expect to pay over $100.