Christians only please - all others please refrain - serious answers only - what is your opinion? Please use the Bible as you see fit, but I'd appreciate only 1 or 2 verses per response. Thank you.
2006-12-20 12:28:30 · 28 answers · asked by padwinlearner 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I was asked to clarify this question - which do you believe and why?
2006-12-20 12:36:38 · update #1
For those of you asking me to research it for myself, I have - I'm just interested in other points of view - I already know what I believe and why I believe it. Thanks.
2006-12-20 12:38:00 · update #2
I was asked where in the Bible does it say the 'Rapture'. It is a coined phrase referring to the verses in Matthew where one man is in a field and the other is taken, one woman is in the home and the other is gone.
2006-12-20 12:41:50 · update #3
Mr. Iamafatpig - I really did ask for Christian responses only - thank you for your response, but I am not going to read it.
2006-12-20 12:43:11 · update #4
I lean towards pre-trib, but I'm a butterfly with a broken leg...I land ever so gently on the latest opinion!
2006-12-20 12:35:49 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 3⤋
It would not make sense for the bride/church of christ to go through the tribulation. There are other stories, where God helped protect his people from the other destruction going on within the world. I believe there is more evidence in the bible pointing to pre tribulation rapture, but I cannot say for sure. No matter what, you were made for a time and purpose, and what may seem a long 7 years, will be nothing compared to eternity. That said, I think the church will be raptured up before, at least for the TRUE believers in Jesus. Then all hell will break loose. This will be a horrifying time, and some will not believe the bible was right, until that time. The good news for the lost, is there will still be time to repent, only it will be a VERY hard road for them. Still, they must be strong, and realize they rejected the truth, and accept God before its all over. Man can only kill the physical body. We were made for so much more than we even know.
2006-12-20 12:35:57 · answer #2 · answered by oceansnsunsets 4 · 3⤊ 1⤋
The Rapture happens after the Great Tribulation or Satan's Wrath. Then God's wrath occurs on the people left on the Earth.
Does it make much sense to have a rapture before the Great Tribulation, I mean non-believers would have to know the truth if this was the case. People disappearing in thin air. I understand its the typical view in today's churches but the bible says otherwise. The tribulation period is not 7 years either, only 3 1/2
This is what I believe. The war right now is the 6th trumpet war the starts in the Great River Euphrates Present Day Iraq. This war will kill 1/3 of man-kind scary. Then will come a peace agreement with Israel. Then 3 1/2 years later comes the Great Tribulation. Then the rapture, then God's Wrath, then armageddon, then the 1000 year millenial rule with Christ. Then the rest of eternity.
If you study this site and listening to understanding the end times level 1 audio on your ipod or listening live at 4pm eastern time daily you will be amazed at the prophecies being fufilled right now.
Here a quick video 3min that you might find interesting from the Irvin Baxter founder of end time ministry
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3003761622921416381&q=Irvin+Baxter&hl=en
2006-12-20 12:58:33 · answer #3 · answered by ۞ JønaŦhan ۞ 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
The Bible speaks nothing about any "rapture" at all. There is not one verse mentioning it. The rapture is a man-made idea, the Bible does not support it. Even the word "rapture" is not found anywhere in the Bible, though people will tell you they've seen it there. The Bible teaches that Jesus is coming again, John 14:1-3, but no man knoweth the day or the hour, Matthew 24:36, 42, 44.
Jesus said: “Do not marvel at this, for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation” (John 5:28,29).
If you have any other questions, you can send me IM's.
2006-12-20 13:15:28 · answer #4 · answered by kellygirlaj 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Pastor Billy says: No rapture. Rapture comes from the Latin not Greek, not Aramaic not Hebrew. There is no biblical rapture as known by Protestant evangelicals. The verses used as proof texts either explain a comparsion of the last-days with the times of Noah or Lot where the good are left behind yet rapture theology more correctly know as premillenialism states the bad are left behind interesting don't you think. Even in Paul's letter to the Thessalonians those who are "left" will meet Jesus on the last-day.
Rapture theology took off with Charles Nelson Darby (named after Lord Nelson) who started the Plymouth Brethren sect. This idea is less than 150 years old......... makes you wonder why evangelicals push it as it isn't a church of Acts belief.
The real teaching of any so-called rapture is related to the last-day or second coming of Jesus Christ. As in the early time of the Christian Church and Christians will be martyrd for their faith, they wil live thru the tribulation and therefore be the first to meet Jesus in the air not on the day before the last day, not on the day 1000 years before the last day but ON THE LAST DAY!
One last thing that verse of Paul's explains Christ's coming with trumpet sounds and everyone will awake at his coming yet Evangelical rapture thelogy explains those to be raptured will just vanish in an extremely silent manner. This is an account of events that doesn't sound very consistent with biblical scripture they use to prove rapture.
Addition: For Pat who is reading the Left Behind series, this book/movie is fiction not only the characters but also the rapture themes and premillenialism ideas wolven into it. please wake up darling
2006-12-20 12:46:36 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Yours is a VERY good Question
Revelation was widely and I believe accurately accepted as an historical account of early first century Christian persecutions, which came to pass. Hence, where it states that the curreent and living generation would not pass until those events were fulfilled. If you check scholarly sources you will see that those were indeed fufilled. Daniel, probably written in the era about 200 or so years BCE, then is considered historical as well.
The more modern second coming or second advent theories in Christianity are really rather new, and were born primarily out of the Millerite movement in the 1830's and 40's. Also Darby had a good bit to do with rapture theology.
There is an excleent discussion of the various theories here:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/millenni.htm
The more mainstream clergy and denominations generally have a no millenium theory, as do I and that you can read about among many others at the site above!
Happy hunting!
God Bless and Merry Christmas
2006-12-20 12:55:55 · answer #6 · answered by rumbler_12 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Mid-Tribulation Rapture. Pre-Trib, says we're not appointed to God' s wrath. Agreed. The tribulation is Satan's wrath. Revelation 12:12...who then makes war on the saints Rev .12:17, Daniel 7:21-25, which mentions the three and one half years (the supposed tribulation period). Pre-Trib says that The Holy Spirit is the "only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way" II Thess 2:7. If that is true how are these people getting saved without the Holy Spirit.. ? (If we're raptured before anti-Christ is revealed.?) II Thessalonians 2 speaks so clearly on this subject. Verse 1: Our gathering together unto Him (the rapture). Verse 3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come (the gathering in verse 1) except there come a falling away first, (I believe we're in the midst of that), and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. ( Anti-Christ). I must say though--- Revelation clearly gives a warning to mis-teaching this subject. So this is only my understanding to what I am reading, and you must ask the Holy Spirit to teach you the truth. Your Sister, Melinda Of course read Matthew 24.
2006-12-20 12:51:27 · answer #7 · answered by Melinda 2 · 1⤊ 2⤋
The Pre-Tribulation view fulfills Revelation 3:10, where the Lord promised to deliver us. The Pre-Tribulation view preserves imminency. "Scripture contains many admonitions to watch, be ready, to look from Him to come at any moment," while other views do not. The Church will also be delivered from the wrath to come - 1 Thessalonians 1:10, and the church is absent in Revelation 4-18.
The Mid-Tribulation view is where Christ raptures His church with the two witnesses in Revelation 11. The two witnesses are not members of the church. "Revelation 4:1-3 has John (a member of the church) being taken up to heaven as an illustration of the Rapture of the church."
The Post-Tribulation view. There wouldn't be time for the "visit to the Father's house," "for the judgment seat of Christ," "for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb." Also, this leaves out the "promise to keep believers from that time of trial (Revelation 3:10)."
Therefore, the Pre-Tribulation view must be correct.
Hope this helps.
2006-12-20 12:57:19 · answer #8 · answered by Phyllobates 7 · 2⤊ 3⤋
As far as the rapture, it is not a teaching of the Bible for mankind in general.
What is it about being pulled off the face of the earth, that people are crazy about. What is wrong with what Jesus stated would take place for the majority of those who survive the tribulation and Armaggedon--Jesus stated : (Matthew 24:36-39) “36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.” So our time is going to be a time of survival through the tribulaton period.
What is wrong with similarly Noah getting off the ark with his family to a clean earth. When the protected Noah like individuals come out of the debree of Armaggedon , that is indeed what Jesus was talking about. If the next few versus(40,41) is what people are going to say is the rapture, no, no because that would null & void what Jesus said, "just like the days of Noah were..."
If you also note:
(Revelation 7:14-15) “14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one that knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 . . .”(Similarly coming out of a storm) All the Biblical rescuing in the Bible prior to Christ was always a situation involving the earth, never to heaven. Enoch, nor Elijah could not have been taken to heaven--simply because Jesus stated:(John 3:13) “13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man. . .”
2006-12-20 13:06:54 · answer #9 · answered by THA 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Pre : We can tell this because the books that are wreitten to the church refer to a pre type of being caught up, while those books written to Jews including the Gospels talk about how they will be taken after the "rapture" that refers to the Jews who are saved during the tribulation. You have to look very cosely at who the Bible is addressing. That is where most false doctrine comes from.
2006-12-20 12:54:03 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
No rapture.
Did you know there are two tribulations?
So how is there (pre, mid, and post tribulation conjecture) without defining which tribulation?
SHALL BE TRIBULATION (affliction)
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
affliction G2347 θλίψις thlipsis thlip'-sis
From G2346; pressure (literally or figuratively): - afflicted, (-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.
AFTER THAT TRIBULATION
Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
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2006-12-20 12:56:09 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋