Have any of you heard about the mma fighter in the hospital because his styles did not cover knife defense.?

Question

i asked because i wanted to prove a point that, even if you are a great fighter you can still be taken out.

i never said anything about i could do better i just asked have you heard about it.

Answer 1

No, can't say I have. But I do know a few things about knife/dagger fighting.

It is messy work all around. Short blades are not high-percentage weapons. Very seldom will one be able to defend onself against one of these blades without receiving any form of cut or stab. However, it is FAR preferable to be cut to being stabbed. A 1.5 inch deep thrust can kill and all you need to deliver one of these, depending on the knife being used, is roughly 3 pounds of pressure. For a cut to go in as deep, especially with a sort blade, is a great deal more.

Even the great masters of dagger fighting such as Fiore Dei Liberi, Hans Talhoffer and Johannes Lichtenhauer knew these things, and they were doing their thing over 500 years ago. And while their teachings do show techniques designe to avoid undue damage, they are well aware that cuts are unavoidable, and sometimes even deliberate in order to prevent further damage from being done.

Answer 2

Deuce has the best point here, in My Hapkido class we do work with knife defenses: knife to knife, knife to unarmed and so forth, and there is hardly a time even when practicing that we wind up with a "cut".

But it is far better as he said to be cut then stabbed with the blade, and with proper control of the attacker's hand you can come away with a survivable cut.

No matter how good you think you are, the possibility of getting hurt against an armed person with any weapon is always gonna be there.

Answer 3

"Have any of you heard about the mma fighter in the hospital because his styles did not cover knife defense?"

You made several assumptions there buddy. You know what they say about assumptions?

1) What makes you think he never learned about knife defense?
2) What makes you think learning knife defense can prevent you from being injured?
3) What makes you think that we believe great fighters (who are all human) are invulnerable?

Heres my assumption:
I'm certain that because your sensei has you play around with rubber knives at half speed against a cooperative opponent you could have avoided injury in this persons situation.

Answer 4

any one can be taken out if their not aware of the situation thats why brains and experience are more important than techniques.and like you said fighter,fighting and self defence are two different things.stg also makes some good points and some one said something about assumption?well you never ever assume!that is a good way to end up in the hospital.besides that it makes an *** out of U and ME.
ASSUME.hahahalol.
bluto that is a load of bs.no real ma would ever not respect any weapon ive seen some of your answers and i thought you knew a bit about what you were talking about?

Answer 5

any martial arts gym that claims to teach knife defence as a sure thing (unless it is a fireing range and handling your attacker at long range) then it is a bs gym.

Any gym that does the pen marker where attackers attack with the "overhand stab" is a mcdojo.

Any gym that doesn't recognize the reality of knife attack and pretends to teach defence is full of it.

My suggestion to you is to actually study how to attack with a knife, then you will see how dangerous the weapon truly is. Then you will know if something is realistic enough to fight against it, few things are.

the problem with so many defence against weapons techniques is that it gives a false sense of security that your technique works and you lose fear for that weapon, losing respect for what it can actually do because it wasn't trained realistically.

You will get cut in a knife fight. Don't kid yourself. A knife is also a very easy weapon to use that doesn't require skill to use or learn to use passably, most people can probably just pick up a knife and fight better with it than they do comparitavely with thier fists without training.

Answer 6

no, but I heard about the MMA fighter who got knocked out cold and mugged. http://fightsport.com/fsport/fightsport/news/2006_12_10_fightsport_archive.html#116582149469773272
(look for "Cabbage mugged in London")
thats why real life should be told like it is, and instructors should be warning their students about the things you cant control. your skills are only as good as the scenario is, and most real scenarios are not fair on the innocent, identifiable for what they are, or anything like we train.

so forget the laugh at the MMA fraternity, as these things happen to everyone, skilled or not. life is "random", and we all train "order".

so we are all doomed to fail eventually. so best to strike first and be wrong, than to hesitate and be right...

get over yourself knife boy.

Answer 7

No, but I have heard of the street fighter in the hospital because he got whupped in the octagon.

Answer 8

No. Who was the fighter? Was he someone decent or just on the local circuit?

Answer 9

Even if you role play knife defense like as rest of mcdojo who claim to be hardcore self defense, you would still get butchered up.

Answer 10

I'm with SAINT G no matter how you train shiit happens.it's totally diff from training in school ( a controlled envrio) and training in the streets where no rules count