how come you religious nuts (not meaning to insult anyone, it's the way my dad refers to most religious people and it stuck to me, i apologize in advance but i'm not changing my wording) get to say god is everlasting, was always here and always will be while we atheists can't say the same about the universe in one form or another was, is ,and always will be? its just as likely as your so called god being everlasting.
2006-12-01 12:43:13 · 20 answers · asked by alpha mutt 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Kind of unfair, isn't it?
Christians invoke the uncaused causer while supporting Creationism and Intelligent Design (which states that complexity denotes design and requires a designer while ignoring the fact that a god would be incredibly complex and therefore require a designer / creator / causer).
2006-12-01 12:45:31 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 1⤋
If you want to use the NO-GOD position, then you are stuck with the "scientific" method which includes the laws of thermodynamics, whereby:
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So whatever scenario one selects for the future of the universe, thermodynamics implies that the universe began to exist. According to physicist P.C.W. Davies, the universe must have been created a finite time ago and is in the process of winding down. Prior to the creation, the universe simply did not exist. Therefore, Davies concludes, even though we may not like it, we must conclude that the universe's energy was somehow simply "put in" at the creation as an initial condition.[28]
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Therefore, by your choice, the universe began to exist. the universe must have been created a finite time ago and is in the process of winding down. Prior to the creation, the universe simply did not exist. And the universe's energy was somehow simply "put in" at the creation.
But, that brings us back to a "creation" which clearly implies a "Creator".
The Universe (and the Earth) had a beginning, therefore it had a creator.
God did NOT have a beginning.
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some ask: Who Created God.
A number of sceptics ask this question. But God by definition is the uncreated creator of the universe, so the question Who created God? is illogical, just like To whom is the bachelor married?
So a more sophisticated questioner might ask: If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn/t God need a cause? And if God doesn't need a cause, why should the universe need a cause? In reply, Christians should use the following reasoning:
Everything WHICH HAS A BEGINNING has a cause.
The universe has a beginning.
Therefore the universe has a cause.
Its important to stress the words CAPITAL LETTERS. The universe requires a cause because it had a BEGINNING, as will be shown below. God, unlike the universe, had NO BEGINNING, so doesn't need a cause. In addition, Einstein's general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space.
Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time God is the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity (Isaiah 57:15). Therefore He doesn't have a cause.
In contrast, there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning. This can be shown from the Laws of Thermodynamics, the most fundamental laws of the physical sciences.
2006-12-01 21:01:53 · answer #2 · answered by kent chatham 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I am religious (I am kinda nutty, but not in a religious way) and also a science teacher. I am not sure I get the question you are asking, but I do know this: A lot people on both sides of the dabate about the existence of God (or whichever name you want to use to refer to a supreme being) make some very flawed (logically) arguments.
Feel free to use whatever argument you like, but the thing is (as I see it) is that God is BY DEFINITION beyond the scope of human experience. That means (intinsically, so there is NO way around this) that His existence can NEVER be proven OR disproven by mankind. Many people far smarter than I have tried and failed (on both sides of the argument). BELIEF in God is a matter of faith, and trying to argue it is nearly pointless, as it is up to each person to make their own decisions using their own free will (which was either given to us in God's own wisdom, or developed as a result of changes in the braincase of primates over millions of years).
I hope this helped, and apologize for any religious people who have been at all belligerent in their treatment of you on this site. God Bless and Godspeed....oh, wait my bad....have a nice day!
2006-12-01 20:53:01 · answer #3 · answered by But why is the rum always gone? 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Umm who said the universe can't be everlasting? I'm a very scientific religious person. I think actually. I am not the sterotype that I am "ahhhh *ignore ignore* God smite you and I don't listen to logic at all wahh I'm so ignorant I don't think for myself) The universe is expanding and there might as well be other dimensions because well time and space's abilities to twist what we find as reality is just about infinite.
2006-12-01 20:51:49 · answer #4 · answered by Cindy 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Ummm, have they proven the Universe isn't everlasting? They say the age is around 13 billion years or so, but they have no evidence for that. In fact, if you knew anything about modern day astrophysics you would know it's filled with more crap than you think the Bible is.
2006-12-01 20:47:11 · answer #5 · answered by Atlas 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
chicken and the egg problem
saying the universe is pemanent makes it so that god is just a product of the universe or something similar.
saying that god created the universe sounds better to us religious nuts than u saying the the universe created god cuz then u are no longer atheists.
and oh yeah saying "so called god" is pretty insulting...
2006-12-01 20:49:40 · answer #6 · answered by jojeda654 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
HI!! we get to say God is everlasting, was always here, and always will be the exact same way you get to say that the universe in one form or another was, is, and always will be...
why can't we all just get along? seriously ... Christians and atheists alike ... WE all need to be nonjudgmental
2006-12-01 20:53:12 · answer #7 · answered by called*to*love 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Because the very science you use to prove the point says itself that at some point, there was nothing alive, and something caused it to be that way. There was no universe, no earth, but nothingness. Where as, in religion, we are taught God said he always was.
If you want to rely on science, you should know the whole argument, and it is the reason you cant use it.
2006-12-01 20:46:54 · answer #8 · answered by sweetie_baby 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I'm not an atheist, but I will agree that the universe was and always will be here, in one form or another.
2006-12-01 20:47:24 · answer #9 · answered by T Time 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If you say that then naturally you are subconsciously referring to the UNIVERSE as GOD!!! Wow! You're confused!
2006-12-01 20:59:12 · answer #10 · answered by positive 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋