I'm sure you would agree that the teaching of the Trinity is one of the main beliefs of Christianity. Can you prove it to me? I can disprove it with one scripture. At John 14:28 Jesus said: "I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." The Trinity is all about the three heads being equal, but Jesus just said that his Father was greater than he. Now, here's the tricky part. I want you all to try your very hardest to prove to me that the Trinity is an accurate teaching by using the Holy Scriptures. Think you can do it? I'll try my best to respond to all your answers. Please don't post entire articles in here. I want your thoughts not someone else's. No bashing either...if you bash, you'll be reported. Thanks in advance for your answers.
2006-12-01 10:43:09 · 23 answers · asked by Rachel B 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I'm very open to your answers and thoughts, there's no doubt about that. I posted this question for all who do believe in the Trinity. The Trinity is the idea of three seperate but equal "Gods" in a "God head." However, there's not even one scripture to support the Trinity. You will not find a Scripture that speaks of Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit as being one. Unless, of course, you think you can prove me wrong...that's your challenge.
2006-12-01 11:32:56 · update #1
Carpanone Kid ~ Would Jesus have wasted his time on me?? I'm asking you to prove it to me and you can't (or won't.)
2006-12-01 11:52:55 · update #2
Preacher's Wife ~ Genesis 1:1-3 doesn't prove the Trinity. Yes, verse 1 speaks of God, Verse 2 speaks of His Holy Spirit, but verse 3 isn't speaking of the Light as being Jesus because, if you keep reading, verse 5 says "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night." It's describing the difference between morning and evening, not Jesus. As for John 1:1, it only speaks of two beings not three. John 1:14 says Jesus became flesh, there's no doubt about that, but it doesn't say anything about him being equal with God and with the Holy Spirit. Thanks for your input.
2006-12-01 12:03:02 · update #3
No-I can't, simply because it is not scriptural. I studied this, the few scriptures that trinitarians use do not harmonize with the context. The concept of a triune God is steeped an false worship and was not believed by the Israelites or the early Christians. It has NO place in true worship! remember the early Christians were the minority, they were labeled as a sect among other things. It is important to draw you own conclusion, rather than going along with what the majority believe.
2006-12-01 11:34:30 · answer #1 · answered by nicky 3 · 7⤊ 2⤋
No one will be able to prove the Trinity to you because it doesn't appear in the bible.
It is a teaching borrowed from paganism. People worshiped gods in the form of triads long before Jesus came to earth.
Jesus does live in heaven with his Father but they are two separate persons.
JOHN 1:18 - no man has seen God AT ANY TIME (many saw Jesus)
JOHN 14:28 - the Father is greater than the Son (contradicting the trinity teaching that they are co-equal etc)
Jesus is the mediator between God and man
A mediator cannot be one of the two parties, it must be a separate person entirely
http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2005/4/22/article_02.htm
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2006-12-02 16:54:48 · answer #2 · answered by New ♥ System ♥ Lady 4 · 5⤊ 0⤋
I have a Christian upbringing but I was not taught The Trinity. The word Trinity is not in the bible, but the idea is supposed to be inspired by the scriptures. As far as proof, I don't know that'd you'd accept it, but I can quote the scriptures where the ideas are based:
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit [Matthew 28:19].
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all [2 Corinthians 13:14].
To God’s elect. . .who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood [1 Peter 1:1-2].
But these are only a sampling of other similar passages. Among others are the following: Romans 14:17-18; 15:16; 1 Corinthians 2:2-5; 6:11; 12:4-6; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 2:18-22; 3:14-19; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:6-8; 1Thessalonians 1:3-5; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14; Titus 3:4-6.
2006-12-01 18:53:59 · answer #3 · answered by Justsyd 7 · 3⤊ 3⤋
That should be very hard to do, since there is no firm basis for that belief. Jesus said: "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:23 & 24)
Seems like it should be very very important to make sure that what we believe really is the truth! Just like the Boreans:
Acts 17:11 & 12: "Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni´ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so. 12 Therefore many of them became believers, and so did not a few of the reputable Greek women and of the men
2006-12-01 18:56:31 · answer #4 · answered by wannaknow 5 · 5⤊ 0⤋
No and I wouldn't want to. My understanding is that God and Jesus are one in the Spirit. And I believe that Jesus prayed to the Father that we would all be one, as He and the Father are one, in the Spirit.
The Doctrine of the Trinity is another one of those Constantine things. Pagans dealt in Trinity's. He insisted that the delegates of Bishops approve a doctrine of Trinity - Tri-une God. Ever since then it has been part of the Nicene Creed. I'm not going to heaven because I believe in the Nicene Creed. I'm going to heaven because I believe in Jesus and accept His redemption for me on the cross.
Another thought I've had about it is that just as we are made of mind, body, and spirit - so is God. God being mind. Christ being Body and the Holy Spirit, the spiritual aspect of God. I don't have to have the right answer to get into heaven. I only have to trust in my God and I do.
Good question.
Cathy
2006-12-01 19:06:46 · answer #5 · answered by cathyhewed1946 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Genesis:1:1 In the beginning God - The Father
2 And the Spirit of God - The Holy Spirit
3 And God said Let there be Light - Jesus
All through the NT Jesus is call the Light
John 1-1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God
John 1_ 14 And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
2006-12-01 19:06:02 · answer #6 · answered by PREACHER'S WIFE 5 · 1⤊ 5⤋
You’re asking people to prove to you an aspect of a religion that has never been proven on the whole in the first place. Do you believe in God? You don’t need proof in that. Than why is proof in the trinity suddenly so important to you? I’m sorry, but proof is the last thing religion is about.
PS: The trinity is not taught in all Christianity, just Catholics and a few others.
2006-12-01 18:47:35 · answer #7 · answered by A 6 · 5⤊ 2⤋
Friend - I actually do not believe its one of our main beliefs...in fact, the Pentecostals have a movement within their demonination called "Oneness" that began in 1937 that does away with a three in one God.
But...as I want to be kind this is how I explain it. I am a Grandmother, a Mom and a Daughter...three people in one person. Now that is easy enough to understand. What throws most people is not God the Father or God the Son, but God the Holy Spirit or Ghost. Even as a Christian it took me years to really grasp it and when I finally did, it was not from the Bible, since only very veiled reference is made to it and few would know unless they were Biblical scholars (as I am, but please, do not put me as an expert in anything).
Late one night I awoke in my bed from a sound sleep. I had left my little television on the History Channel as I had been watching a show and fell asleep. The show on at the time I awoke was the History Channels "Jesus Christ". A man was explaining the Trinity and he said just what I said above (only in his sex of course). Then he said...and this I never forget..."We make the Holy Spirit so complicated that it keeps us from truly understanding the entire concept. The Holy Spirit is no more than God living inside of us...the third part.
I know I have not proven the Trinity exists to you, frankly, unless you are a believer it would make no sense to you. And I have broken my own rule of over writing something (I never read those long answers people put on here). So I apologize, but I hope I have at least given you a glimpse of how I see the Trinity. GBY
2006-12-01 19:04:34 · answer #8 · answered by Dust in the Wind 7 · 2⤊ 6⤋
your 'proof' is not actually making the case
the Father is not the same as the SOn except in the Sybellian trinity which orthodox Christians reject In the Sybeellian trinity the father son and spirit are the same perasons... in the athanasian trinity there is one God who is one in essense and three in persons
secondly the Father is greater than the Son at least two ways...1) in office but equal in nature according to the sybellian trinity. Additionally 2) because of the hypostatic union, the son if fully man and fully God, with regard to his human nature he can say the Father is gearter than the Son as well.
2006-12-01 18:50:15 · answer #9 · answered by whirlingmerc 6 · 3⤊ 3⤋
Through the years the church has been adding "interesting" philosophical theories to the original "biblical" beliefs. Many of those were introduced by religious philosophers or "Church Fathers", such as St. Agustine of Hippo.
Just so you know, St. Agustine was the one who introduced the idea of "Original Sin", which the Church still supports (though slightly modified). It is noteworthy that the bible doesn't mention anywhere that an hereditary sin exists. In fact, if I remember well, Jesus fights against the idea of hereditary sins that the yews had.
It is also noteworthy that St. Agustine also defended that women have NO SOUL.
2006-12-01 18:57:19 · answer #10 · answered by Darku 2 · 2⤊ 2⤋