For atheist, can you give me your opinion?

Question

for Atheist http://www.leveltruth.com/documents/Appendix2.pdf

Thank you for taking your time to read and answer my question.
we are all human, we have the same brain, so you say that most of the scientist are atheist.
the Quran is more than 1400 years old, so what can you say about this :
021.030 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?
The Qur’an was revealed in the seventh century. Many statements pertaining to physical phenomena are dispersed throughout the Qur’an. These are there in the Qur’an to draw the attention of people to the wonders of Allah’s creation. Any other seventh century book making statements about the physical universe would surely contain mistakes. Our knowledge of physical sciences in the twentieth century is far advanced beyond the imagination of people living the seventh century.

What will come as a surprise to many people is that of all the numerous statements about scientific

matters found in the Qur’an, not one of those have proved contrary to the established facts of science. On the other hand, many of those statements have already been verified by modern scientific studies, and we confidently expect that as various fields of knowledge advance, other Quranic statements will likewise prove true.

Answer 1

That is simplistic drivel, which explains why you are a Christian and I am an atheist.

Answer 2

This article is biased and the author sees the whole issue through the glasses of his own beliefs. The article is very subjective and based on beliefs and opinions rather than facts.

Some theists have a hard time believing that atheists really don't believe in god and keep making claims that all atheists really know deep inside that there is a god. That is a misconception and wishful thinking. Is it really that hard to accept that we're not all the same?

That "there are no atheists in fox-holes" and that all people turn to a deity in stressful near-death situations, is a myth, an urban legend, wishful thinking of theists who seem somewhat insecure about their beliefs since they feel this need to back it up with "look, I'm right, even atheists turn to God eventually". Well, I can tell you first-hand that it's not true. I'm an atheist and I have been very close to death twice in my life, one of them being a seemingly hopeless situation where I was sure nothing but death was waiting for me (and in fact I nearly did die). I did not turn to a deity or desperately start praying or even thinking about a deity at those times. Maybe some atheists convert when faced with such situations, but those were hardly atheists in the first place but rather agnostics. I know other atheists who did not turn to a higher being in the last moments of their life. But that is something you will never hear from theists, because they only like to talk about things that support their side of the story.

Answer 3

You asked, so I'm going to try to give you a thoughtful reply. This may take a bit.

This entire article kind of drifts among dozens of arguments between theism and atheism, with no real organization of ideas. We start with a basic "there are no atheists in foxholes" quote, which says more about human psychology and in-group mentality than the origin of the universe.

Are we to disregard science because people cling to theology under heavy stress?

Then, we clumsily move on to Pascal's Wager and Jefferson's accurate remark. Certainly if there were a God, he would see through such a blatant deception.

Next up, we have the beauty of nature. When I climbed the Grand Canyon, I was amazed by the work of nature over a very long time. Amazed by the beauty and grandeur itself. Why does it follow that everything beautiful must have a creator? e=mc^2 is beauty in math, but it had a discoverer, not a creator.

A great conductor is quoted as saying, "If you have Mozart to listen to, why would you need god?" Francis Collins, about the only respected scientist who is also a Christian, said he found God in a waterfall. The best part is, the waterfall had three streams and in this he saw the Christian Trinity. Why not the three prongs of Poseidon's trident? Certainly if Mr. Collins had grown up in a Pagan tradition, that's what he would have interpreted.

If beauty in nature proves God, what else could it prove? Does it prove a bank statement? Does it prove the universe is 6,000 year old? That argument only makes sense to someone who deeply *wants* to believe.

Next, we move on to my favorite assertion by theists: that us atheists are arrogant. You claim to be in regular *dialog* with the creator of the universe, and somehow I'm arrogant? Wow. Wrapping that up, the writer seems to think that people shouldn't aspire to know too much, that they should know their place and not question things critically or use science to advance human progress. Can you say dark ages?

From there, we go off into a pseudo-philosophical rant that I can only guess makes sense to the fundamentalist.

Even if you choose to believe in a God, that created the universe itself, that doesn't make it the God of Abraham, who in the Old Testament is evil, vindictive, jealous, genocidal, murderous, and has a predisposition for infanticide, in for example the final plague on Egypt in Exodus.

As our society continues to grow more, not less, moral, we find that religion offers only false morality. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and you can't justify religion's many evils with a quasi moral relativity of the Bible's "context". Right now there are people plotting to kill us, and the *only* reason they have an interest in doing such a horrible act is the promise of 72 virgins when they do.

Hitler, well-admired as the evilest of evil men in our time, was an avowed Christian and frequently invoked religion in his maddingly evil rants. And let us not forget that the hatred he yoked -- the hatred of Jews -- was a purely religious hatred.

It speaks volumes that 93% of the National Academy of Sciences is atheist. Also, according to Sam Harris in Letter to a Christian Nation, 10% of the country is atheist, but only 1% of its prison population is. Certainly that speaks to the supposed healthfulness of piousness in our society.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Answer 4

Wichita, I can understand you're doing what you believe to be right, because I once believed the same things you did. However, like many other atheists out there, it's through years of searching, researching and questioning that I've come to my own rational conclusion and made this (non) spiritual decision for myself. I've been doled out similar rhetoric as the link you've posted, and heard multiple sides of the story, but this mid-level sermon does nothing that comes close to convincing me. If you want to try to convince atheists, this is not an effective way (I say this objectively, not as an emotional challenge in any way).

[Jose Juan, that has to do with your own settings on your computer. And a PDF document is not a virus, and you'd do best to acquaint yourself with what that is if you're going to be using the computer for more than just games Yahoo Answers.]

Answer 5

Entirely not compelling. Even if you think the world is wonderful in its intricacies and the universe in its expanse, it is still a huge leap to imagine some anthropomorphic or inconceivable intelligence spanning and yet linked to everything and controlling it.

My interest in understanding nature, people, history and prehistory utilizing empirical evidence, scientific method and objective reasoning is much more reverent towards my subject than any mystical mumbo jumbo could ever hope to be. I have a deeper understanding of life, humanity, morals, nature, and everything because I reject that which cannot be proven and that at which base contains nothing but errors.

Religion is an easy path compared to the struggle to quantify and explain how the universe really works. Once you've accepted some foolish faith and dedicated yourself to obey and practice, you've given up on the real world, blanked out your mind, abandoned reason, and come closer to a now welcome death.

Answer 6

This is a load of unconvincing and biased bullshit. The person who wrote this cannot understand or even see things in another way than from the viewpoint of their own beliefs and uses urban legends (such as "there are no atheists in foxholes" and "everyone turns to God when faced with death") to support their argument. It also assumes that if there is a God there must be heaven and hell, which makes the article not only biased towards theism, but towards religion too.

To be honest this sounds like a lame attempt to convert atheists and "save" us from hell. It failed completely.

Answer 7

That whole document was total bs, god is perfect and very real?

Why do kids who were just born, be born with diseases like hepetitus and maninjacocal and forces doctors to get rid of certain parts of the infected body which leaves a permenent scar on the baby.

If god were real why doesnt he show his face?

Answer 8

I have a funny feeling you are about to persecuted as a "shove your religion down my throat" person. Even though they hang out in a religion section all day, apparently they dont want to talk about religion or G-d or spirituality.

I reccomend they try the teenie bopper forum...they can talk about Britney Spears all day.

Blessings,
David

Answer 9

Not convincing. I don't know what else you want me to say.

By the way, here's some interesting information about the "no atheists in foxholes" thesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheists_in_foxholes

As it turns out, there have been plenty of atheists in foxholes.

Answer 10

I could only bring myself to read about half of it because it's absolute rubbish. I have faced death and not called for your non existent god.