if I go into a catholic church will they give me their proof that Sunday is NOT the Sabbath?

Question

great Theophilu...! Someone out there give that guy a couple more "thumb-ups" That's good info there.

Answer 1

They make you dig for it, it's in their Catechism.

They call their change from Sabbath to the day of the SUN their "MARK" of ecclesiastical power!

Where else have I seen the word "MARK" in the bible?
hmmmmm

Answer 2

As a Catholic, I will say no. I will give you the history of why and how Sunday became the day we celebrate the death and resurrection of Jesus.
The very early Christian community was mostly Jewish or "God-fearers", pagans who respected Judaism, but weren't ready to convert because of the law. Circumcision and kosher laws, etc, were seen as too difficult to follow, but the ethical teaching was very much respected. These Christians celebrated the Sabbath on Saturday with the Jewish Community as Jews, or as people sympathetic to Judaism. Here they celebrated what we now call the Liturgy of the Word, reading and interpreting scripture. They would gather again on Sunday, the day of the Resurrection, to celebrate the Liturgy of the Eucharist, the breaking of the bread in remembrance of Jesus's sacrifice, just as he asked us to do. The breaking of the bread was followed by by the singing of psalms and often a meal.
After a while, within the lifetime of the Diciple John, the Jews decided that the Christians had become a seperate group. They had included non-Jews, and had said that it wasn't so important what goes into someone's mouth as what comes out of it, and that it is the "circumcision of the heart" that is important, not physical circumcision. That is what the Council of Jerusalem, recounted in the Book of Acts is about, the disagreement of Peter, who felt that new Christians needed to become Jewish first and obey the law, and Paul, who included the "God-fearers", and said that it was the spirit of the law that was important.. Anyway, the outcome was that Christians were rejected from Sabbath worship with the Jewish Community. That is why there is a tone of bitterness in John's Gospel.
When they were ejected from the synagogue, Christians combined the celebration of word and Eucharist (means "thankgiving" from the words of the prayer over the gifts of bread and wine, "always and everywhere to give you thanks and praise") into one celebration on Sunday, the day of resurrection. It has nothing to do with pagan practice. The traditions that do have some connection, like the choosing of Dec. 25 to be the birthday of Jesus, had more to do with Christianizing a pagan holiday, rather than the other way around. There are many Christian symbols with pagan origins. All of them were changed to have a Christian meaning that meant something to the Pagan community that was newly Christianized... like Christmas trees in countries that had worshipped trees. "Easter" is the name of a Germanic goddess. That doesn't mean that we worship her on the day of the resurrection. If you were to go to a Catholic Church with your question, most people wouldn't know what you were talking about. It is a non-issue in the Catholic Church.

Answer 3

The Catholic Church follows the teaching and practice of the Apostles. In the 20th chapter of the Act of the Apostles, the church in Troas gathered on the first day of the week, Sunday.

Christians believe that Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses. Therefore Christians are not held to the ceremonial parts of the Mosaic Law concerning of dietary purity and temple worship.

Christians are held to the moral law of God, some of which is expressed in the Ten Commandments.

The first Christians were Jews. They went to temple or synagogue on the Sabbath (Saturday) with fellow Jews.

Then they gathered on the first day of the week, the day on which Jesus rose from the dead (Sunday), with fellow Christians to tell stories of Jesus and share Eucharist. See Acts 20:7.

Later Gentiles joined Christianity. The Apostles, filled with the Holy Spirit, decided that the Gentiles did not have to covert to Judaism. Therefore, they only attended on Sundays and did not have to abide by Jewish dietary laws.

This has been the practice ever since.

With love in Christ.

Answer 4

Acts 20:7 says the early church met "on the 1st day of the week...." to partake of the Lord's supper. in this occasion in addition they heard preaching. In a million Corinthians sixteen:2, the church substitute into commanded to grant their offering "on the 1st day of the week" while they have been amassed at the same time. the two the hot testomony and historical past instruct that the early church met upon the 1st day of the week for their usual worship. extremely, the church had its initiating on Pentecost, which continually substitute into on the 1st day of the week; the morrow after the seventh Sabbath from passover. The Lord's supper substitute into taken on the 1st dayof the week, the offering substitute into given on the 1st day of the week, the church substitute into usual on the 1st day of the week, and Jesus rose from the ineffective on the 1st day of the week (Mark sixteen:a million-2). No this did no longer originate from the Catholic church, yet a careful learn of the hot testomony exhibits examples and training to fulfill on Sunday. Sabbath worship substitute into an old testomony regulation. This substitute into "nailed to the circulate". Now no guy can choose us based on the Sabbath (Col. 2:14-sixteen). We now stay below the authority of the hot testomony which exhibits that we are to worship on the 1st day of the week.

Answer 5

here it is:
The Jews worshipped on the sabbath. "Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it," the decalogue stated, "as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee" (Deut. 5: 12). Labor on the sabbath or the seventh day of the week was forbidden (Deut. 5: 13,14). To disregard the sabbath day law, was a capital offense (Num. 15: 37-41). The Ten Commandment Law, including the sabbath day law, was given to physical or national Israel, not to Gentiles, as such (Deut. 5: 1-3). The Jews also offered animal sacrifice, were to avoid certain foods, and were forbidden marriage with other nations (Lev. 4, II, Nehe. 13). Jesus kept the sabbath because he lived and died under the Law of Moses (Gal. 4: 4, I Pet. 2: 22).

The first day of the week is associated with Christians. Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week (our Sunday, Matt. 28: 1). The church was established on Sunday, the gospel was first preached in its fullness, and remission of sin as a result of Jesus' blood were all begun on Sunday (Acts 2). It was on the first day of the week when Christians came together to observe the Lord's Supper (Acts 20: 7). It was also on Sunday that Christians gave of their means into the treasury of the
local church (I Cor. 16: 1,2).

The law, containing the sabbath day ordinance, has been "nailed to the cross" (Col. 2: 14). Thus, we are to let no man judge us "in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holiday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" (Col. 2: 16). The sabbath day was part of God's covenant with the Jews; the first day of the week is the day associated with Jesus' new covenant or testament (Heb. 8; 9).

Also the Jews were the only ones allowed in Jesus time to worship in the synagogue's, so the Christians chose Monday to worship

Answer 6

They won't directly, but you can look it up. Cathecism books explicitly say that the "church was given the authority to change the sabbath day to sunday." And ofcourse then you ask, "by who?" Well not God. The Bible can't contradict itself and it forbids changes be made to it. By the way, Sabbath is not for Jews as it was instituted in creation, way before Jews existed!!!!!!

Answer 7

and the correct answer goes to .....iamcatholic.

this sounds very much like a Seventh Day Adventist sect type question. There is a presupposition on what is proper Chistian practice which is not the case at all.
The sabbath as practiced by those as members of Judiasm represents a memorial of God's first creation not God's new creation in Jesus Christ because they rejected Jesus as Messiah and especially as God. The sabbath being asked about here can never acknowledge the coming of God's new creation in Jesus Christ as we know Jesus did not rise on the Sabbath of Judiasm but the day...........after hence what is now called The Lord's Day. As explained by iamcatholic2 the cermonial aspect of the first sabbath does not apply to Christians, the ones who have entered into the new covenant with God, the ones who have accepted Jesus his son as Lord and God.

By the way Theo is having problems with languages. In the Latin languages there is no SUN-day, it is know as the Lord's Day whether it be French, Spanish, Italian etc. We get Sunday from the English language because English comes out of northern european dialects and we also know these are regions last converted to Christianity long after the Romans folks. This idea of Sun-worship is such a myth. If that type of argument was used I could easily say SATurday observance is worship of the planet saturn and that is the mark ooooooo that Theo elludes to.

Finally don't be so quick to knock imagery of Light for God because

Psalm 19:1,4-5
The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork . . . . In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs its course with joy.

Psalm 84:11
For the Lord God is a sun and shield; he bestows favor and honor. .

Did you read that?? "The Lord God is a sun"! Imagine what these Adventists would say if this came out of a Catholic mouth! Yet, it is thoroughly biblical! The Lord identifies Himself by the symbol of a sun--and what a fitting symbol it is!

Isaiah 19:18-19
In that day there will be five cities in the land of Egypt which speak the language of Canaan and swear allegiance to the Lord of hosts. One of these will be called the City of the Sun. In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border.

Could you imagine anti-Catholic Adventist reaction if the Catholic Church referred to the Vatican as the "City of the Sun"?? And yet, Isaiah refers to a city which is a stronghold of the faithful of the Lord as the "City of the Sun." In fact, the passage also talks about a "pillar to the Lord." Reminds me of an obelisk in the Vatican--which is one thing the Adventists have condemned the Church for, because, so they say, it's pagan! But here Isaiah mentions it as a "pillar to the Lord"! This flies directly into the face of the SDA accusations. Is Isaiah prophesying the Catholic Church here? Looks like it to me.... But there's more:

Daniel 12:3
And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.

Malachi 4:2 / 3:20
But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings.

Matthew 13:43
Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Matthew 17:2
And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light.

Answer 8

I am not sure I understand your question. Saturday is the Sabbath, not Sunday.

Answer 9

Probably not....asking would help! its certianly not the first thing they tell all newcomers.

Answer 10

If any religion had proof they wouldn't be religions. They'd be science