Do you think we are all just SPIRITUAL BEINGS merely dreaming and as soon as we realize ...?

Question

we are allready PERFECT SPIRITUAL BEINGS, we will wake up allready in PARADISE?
this really is a two or more part Question, but then save the rest for later.

What if we are all here to learn SPIRITUAL lessons...What if here is more the FANTASY world then the real world it seems to be...
What if this really is just a testing ground or place to learn before comming to the realization, we are infinite/ eternal creatures...and we are allready in eternity...and basically this is all just like a bad dream.
Death is just the beginning and birth is nothing more than a dream state where we learn all we need to go forward in our ETERNAL SPIRITUAL WORLD?
Or am I just WHACKED OUT OF MY HEAD?
don't have to answer that.
DJ

Gypsy Gr-anny
AHHHH
ONE WORLD RELIGION????
okay I just said something about everyone just getting along in another question, which is impossible I suppose on this planet. And so it seems I forgot all about the Deceivers plan to make ONE RELIGION across the world, and he will be the leader of it claiming to be God, if you choose not to worship him then you will be spared eternal damnation, but you will get your head cut off for not worshipping the BEAST or his image...If you do give into this ONE WORLD religion and choose to worship the beast/ devil, you may be spared death, or the act of giving up your head, but you will be damned for all eternity.
I gave you a thumbs up but now I want to take it back in some sense, even though what you wrote seemed to sound ,"all good".
I guess I need to be more careful with my questions.
I am for the person who answered about body/ mind/ spirit needing to be perfected/ transformed by God.
I will try to be more careful with my Q's and A's.
DJH

Answer 1

We are not just spiritual beings. Based on the bible man is made up of spirit, soul and body (1 Thess 5:23) When we are saved our spirit (which the god part in us) is made alive to God. As sinners our spirit is dead to God. After having been made alive to God, God begins the process of saving our soul which is our will, emotions and mind during our lifetime. Gods wants our will to be subject to His will. God wants us not to rely on our emotions which may be regarded as including all our physical senses but to walk by faith (or walk not in the flesh but in the Spirit). God wants us to renew our mind to put on the mind of Christ. When all these changes are completed our soul will then bless God and we walk in total victory in our lifetime. Our bodies will be the last to be redeemed. This will happen at Jesus' second coming when we all (dead or alive then) will be given new bodies made in heaven. So there are three redemptions for man, of spirit,of soul and of body. We are truly made perfect only when Jesus comes back and gives us new bodies.

Answer 2

No, we're material beings. There are two things wrong with the claim that we're perfect spiritual beings.

1) Spiritual is basically a non-word. It doesn't really mean anything. At most, it is defined as some kind of spooky invisible part of us. That's very vague. Others define it as some kind of invisible "essense". Also vague. If you don't know what it is you are claiming to exist, you can't really make a good claim for its existence.

2) Perfect in this sense is meaningless. The term "perfect" only has meaning when its subject is extremely well-defined. I can give you a great definition for a circle. It is very rigid in its definition. Therefore, I can compare any circle around to a theoretical "perfect circle" with real meaning. I can't tell you what a perfect person is. People are too widely varied and a "perfect person" would rely on too many arbitrary judgments. There is no really rigid definition for human. Spirits are even more vaguely defined, as I pointed out earlier, so the term "perfect spirit" makes even less sense.

Answer 3

SPIRITUAL NATURE OF MAN

We have many times demonstrated and established that man is the noblest of beings, the sum of all perfections, and that all beings and all existences are the centers from which the glory of God is reflected, that is to say, the signs of the Divinity of God are apparent in the realities of things and of creatures. Just as the terrestrial globe is the place where the rays of the sun are reflected—as its light, its heat, and its influence are apparent and visible in all the atoms of the earth—so, in the same way, the atoms of beings, in this infinite space, proclaim and prove one of the divine perfections. Nothing is deprived of this benefit; it is either a sign of the mercy of God or it is a sign of His power, His greatness, His justice, His lordship which imparts education; or it is a sign of the generosity of God, His vision, His hearing, His knowledge, His grace, and so on.
Without doubt each being is the center of the shining forth of the glory of God: that is to say, the perfections of God appear from it and are resplendent in it. It is like the sun, which is resplendent in the desert, upon the sea, in the trees, in the fruits and blossoms, and in all earthly things. The world, indeed each 311 existing being, proclaims to us one of the names of God, but the reality of man is the collective reality, the general reality, and is the center where the glory of all the perfections of God shine forth. That is to say, for each name, each attribute, each perfection which we affirm of God, there exists a sign in man; if it were otherwise, man could not imagine these perfections, and could not understand them. So we say that God is the seer, and the eye is the sign of His vision; if this sight were not in man, how could we imagine the vision of God? for the blind, that is one born blind, cannot imagine sight; and the deaf, that is one deaf from birth, cannot imagine hearing; and the dead cannot realize life. Consequently the Divinity of God, which is the sum of all perfections, reflects itself in the reality of man; that is to say, the Essence of Oneness is the gathering of all perfections, and from this unity He casts a reflection upon the human reality. Man then is the perfect mirror facing the Sun of Truth, and is the center of radiation: the Sun of Truth shines in this mirror. The reflection of the divine perfections appears in the reality of man, so he is the representative of God, the messenger of God. If man did not exist, the universe would be without result, for the object of existence is the appearance of the perfections of God.
Therefore it cannot be said there was a time when man was not. All that we can say is that this terrestrial globe at one time did not exist, and at its beginning man did not appear upon it. But from the beginning which has no beginning, to the end which has no end, a perfect manifestation always exists. This man of whom we speak is not every man; we mean the perfect man. For the noblest part of the tree is the fruit, which is the reason of its existence; if the tree had no fruit, it would have no meaning. Therefore it cannot be imagined that the worlds of existence, whether the stars or this earth, were once inhabited by the donkey, cow, mouse, and cat, and that they were without man! This supposition is false and meaningless. The word of God is clear as the sun. This is a spiritual proof, but one which we cannot at the beginning put forth for the benefit of the materialists; first we must speak of the logical proofs, afterwards the spiritual proofs.

Answer 4

I believe we all have a need to be spiritual. I think God put that in us to want to have some kind of spiritual nature. We all believe in something because look at all the different religions in the world.

Answer 5

we are Spiritual Beings having a physical experience to gain wisdom and knowledge as to what the physical world is like

Answer 6

Take a look around you. Do these people seem likely to be "PERFECT SPIRITUAL BEINGS"?

I mean, half of 'em are lazy morons just parroting creationist propaganda and right-wing religious antiAmerican BS.

Answer 7

That could be very possible! It sounds like you have read the Matrix V. It is very interesting.

Answer 8

I think we all have a spiritual aspect and are on earth to hopefully learn to be better (God fearing ) people. as for descovering we are already perfect I doubt that.

Answer 9

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Answer 10

in a sense... the short answer... is yes.

the "issue" is that from the point of view we are in, this understanding/realization takes time, which we.... erm... chronologize into reincarnations and time and life ect.

its always funny when people think we're actually material.
though honestly sometimes I miss that... innocence.

Paul, actually... yes. they simply haven't realized it.